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Old 11-02-2009, 01:46 PM
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the entire system is to blame for the high costs of health care in this country. the only way to change the trend of higher and higher costs is to change the system...

polls mean nothing if not properly executed. my line of work relies mainly on statistics and i know how numbers can be manipulated. a former professor and good friend of mine calls it "seeing what you want to see in the numbers, and proving it true, no matter what the reality is, or what the data says".... that is why conservatives and liberals alike can come up with a poll that is supposedly representative of the population, asking the very same questions, and come up with completely different conclusions...

I see polls and they mean nothing. unless i work intimately in executing it.
Amen brother! Polls are all b.s. as are most policticians and the political process itself.
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Old 11-02-2009, 05:31 PM
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Geeze wavels, did you know this:
On Oct. 24, an article in The Daily Sentinel stated that Rep. John Salazar had asked Howard Dean to remove his name as one supporting the public option from Dean’s Web site. Is Salazar aware the United States is the only major country in the world that permits health insurers to make a profit and thereby cause the problems with people losing their insurance, because keeping their insurance would lower the insurer’s profits? To put this nation’s health care system in perspective relative to the rest of the world read T.R. Reid’s “The Healing of America”.
We cannot afford health care reform without competition from a non-profit insurer. Why do the Blue Dogs have so much trouble understanding that?
A non-profit organization does not have to cost the taxpayer anything once it is set up and running. It would charge premiums that would necessarily be less expensive than for-profit insurers because it wouldn’t have to sell its product, would have far lower administrative cost, and would not have to pay dividends to stockholders. Every other country in the world understands this. Why don’t the Blue Dogs?
Since 20 percent to 30 percent of the $2.5 trillion the country spends each year on health care is soaked by the insurance industry with no contribution to our well being, you don’t have to be an economist to understand that replacing for-profit insurance providers with non-profit insurers would save us a tremendous amount of money. The administrative costs of Medicare are only a few percent.
A majority of Americans want a public option. Rep. Salazar should vote for the passage of the public option and urge his colleagues in Congress to follow his example. He should either support the formation of a non-profit insurance organization or plan on finding a new job in 2011.
Pay attention, we are supporting CEOs off the backs of the ill. Is this a Christian proposition? Medical should be a right, not an expense, especially to those that can not afford it. I thought you were a "good christian". Yes I realize that medical is not free, a medical tax would replace insurance premiums, and profit would be exorcized. not a minute too soon I might add.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:07 AM
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Lawyers and the govt. are to blame mostly for the high cost of medicine.

Two pariah entities which feed off the medical industry and give NOTHING back.

Want to regulate an industry? Try tackling the only one left unregulated by govt...... lawyers.
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regulate an industry, so regulate lawyers, yeah, that makes total sense....

you are right, the gov't is to blame for the high costs of health care, because the government created the industry as it exists today....
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A 2003 BlueCross BlueShield study determined that 8.2 million Americans are actually without coverage for a long term period of time, because they are too poor to purchase health care but make too much to qualify for government assistance. Even though these people are without insurance they have access to healthcare, because federal law prohibits hospitals from denying treatment to patients who show up at hospital emergency rooms. The average household in the U.S. has 2.5 people. This means there are 3.3 million households out of 114 million households without health insurance. That is 2.9% of all the households in the U.S. This appears to be an awfully small percentage of Americans to warrant a $1 trillion new government bureaucracy. National health spending in 2009 will reach $2.5 trillion. This comes to $8,000 per person. If we gave the 8.2 million Americans without health insurance an $8,000 voucher for healthcare, it would cost $65.6 billion. This amounts to a stimulus plan rounding error. The truth is that Obama and the Democratic statists in Congress don’t want to make healthcare better or more efficient. They want control of your life.


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Do a google Search for " What government program has the most fraud" and see what you come up with. For all you statists your not going to like the facts.
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regulate an industry, so regulate lawyers, yeah, that makes total sense....

you are right, the gov't is to blame for the high costs of health care, because the government created the industry as it exists today....
The point being (which sailed straight over ur head) the only industry which is NOT regulated is the Legal industry.

Why not them? It's a fair question and a BRILLIANT observation.

Ur second point is actually accurate even though U have no idea why. I'm shocked.....
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When government doesn't get involved prices come down.
Lasic Eye surgery in 1999 $2106 in 2004 it was $1626.
Quality has also increased greatly.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

It's important to understand that government health care spending
is the real cause of America's health care crisis.
Government already pays for nearly half of all medical care in this country.
Bureaucrats decide what the government will pay for any given procedure.
Lobbyists influence the prices the bureaucrats set.
Insurance companies then follow the government's lead in terms of what they will pay.

You socialist would be funny if you wheren't so dangerous.
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If anyone actually believes the govt. can ratchet down the cost of ANYTHING ... ur living in a fog.
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