you should have heard bushs speech tonight it was great, really you should see it and post what you think. I dont know how sombody couldnt feel bad for him, im glad he has enough character to somehow deal with it, the man looks like hes ageing at warp speed

but really watch the speech its pretty hard to deny guys. you know I have been wrong before that doesnt bother me, you ever think you might be wrong?

ill try to find it on utube and post it

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well i couldnt find it but you wont believe this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg


its pretty scary they dubbed dubbyas voice to make him sound like the antichrist its chilling cuz they use his own voice


anyway its pretty messed up but cool at the same time

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i can't tell from this post how you really feel about the words he said. what is hard to deny?

i read some rhetoric about keeping our nation safe requires us to keep fighting an illegal war.

i read some crap about 'we're too dependant on foreign oil'. (i thought that was why we were there in the first place?)

i heard good news that there will be tax cuts to help get medical coverage.

and then more crap on the illegal war. there was enough bullshit in that speech to grown shrooms.

Heyn closet,ur full of shit.You obviously dont understand whats goin on."illeagal war"Come on man.Grow up.We live in a world thats not just about us.You are the kind of person who probubly thinks we,The"goverment" tore down the towers.A goverment conspiracy.History will show that bush is correct.Remember that there are still books written to this day about our forefathers.We need stubility in the region.I know,lets let Iran,The modern day Natzis to take over the region,get nukes and we can sit back and say "oh well"not our problem.Get educated.

I loved the part about Iraqi's joining the military instead of joining the insurgency. He admits that those who have killed our soldier's are now joining their army and police, kinda scary if you think about it. Just goes to show how badly we are truly failing in Iraq when we are allowing criminals to police the country. It would be like having a police shortage here and them going to a prison or a county jail to get recruits. Just plain dumb.

well I would like to revive this thread in march when the next report comes out, and hopfully for all of us i can come in here and say I told you so


if you guys could fix this problem in Iraq by snapping your finger would you even do it? somtimes I wonder

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gotta love the bush.......3609

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I think we should stop fighting when the death toll reachs 867 5309 j/k

now here are some numbers to worry about:

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Casualties of War - Putting American Casualties in Perspective
by - November 3, 2003
The United States of America has a somewhat unique relationship with war. While America is considered to be the most militarily powerful country in the world today, Americans as a whole have never experienced war in the way that many other countries of the world have. There is a huge disparity between the American experience of war and the global experience. This may have an impact on American attitudes towards war. Presented below are various statistics on causalities of war. The information is useful for reference material, but it is also useful for gaining an understanding of the human cost of war, and the cost of war for Americans compared to the rest of the world, which may be helpful in understanding cultural attitudes about war.
The total number of Americans killed in action from all major wars combined, the ten listed below, is 2,757,196, which, while a disheartening number, is about the same as the number of Vietnamese that died in the Vietnam War alone.


WarDuration in monthsRevolutionary War80War of 181230Mexican-American War20Civil War48Spanish-American War4World War I19World War II44Korean War37Vietnam War90Gulf War1

WarCasualtiesKIARevolutionary War10,623
4,435War of 18126,7652,260Mexican-American War17,4351,733Civil War970,227184,594Spanish-American War4,108385World War I320,71053,513World War II1,078,162292,131Korean War136,93533,651Vietnam War211,47147,369Gulf War760148

World War ICountryMilitary PersonnelMilitary DeathsMilitary CasualtiesRussia12,000,0001,700,0009,150,000German y11,000,0001,773,7007,142,558Austria-Hungary7,800,0001,200,0007,020,000France8,410,0001 ,357,8006,160,800British Empire8,904,467908,3713,190,235Italy5,615,000650,0 002,197,000Turkey2,850,000325,000975,000United States4,355,000126,000364,800Others4,104,343497,44 41,298,293



World War II DeathsCountryMilitary Civilian Total Soviet Union13,600,0007,700,00021,300,000China1,324,00010 ,000,00011,324,000Germany3,250,0003,810,0007,060,0 00Poland850,0006,000,0006,850,000Japan1,506,000300 ,0001,806,000Yugoslavia300,0001,400,0001,700,000Ru mania520,000465,000985,000France340,000470,000810, 000Hungary??750,000Austria380,000145,000525,000Gre ece??520,000Italy330,00080,000410,000Czechoslovaki a??400,000Great Britain326,00062,000388,000USA295,000N/A295,000Holland14,000236,000250,000Belgium10,00075 ,00085,000Finland79,000?79,000Canada39,000N/A39,000India36,000?36,000Australia29,000N/A29,000Spain12,00010,00022,000Bulgaria19,0002,0002 1,000New Zealand12,000N/A12,000South Africa9,000N/A9,000Norway5,000?5,000Denmark4,000?4,000Total23,2 89,00030,755,00055,714,000


(Note that Australian, British, French, Chinese, Laotian, Cambodian, and several other nationalities were involved in the Vietnam war as well, but I don't have their statistics shown here. Laos is actually the most heavily bombed country in world history, and one person is still killed by American bombs an average of every two days in Laos currently, some 25 years after the war. It is estimated that it will take another 100 years to completely rid Laos of all the unexploded American ordinance that remains in the country.)

American dead - 58,169
Vietnamese killed by American military - 1,165,000+
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial, also known as The Wall, is 493 feet long, or almost 1/10th of a mile. A Vietnamese equivalent to this memorial, including both North and South Vietnamese military and civilians who were killed by the American military, would be 9,903 feet, or almost 1.9 miles, long. This does not include disease and starvation deaths, injuries, or South Vietnamese killed by the North Vietnamese Army.

Sources:
http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm
http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/BACK/Casualties.htm
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWdeaths.htm
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we kill a lot of people.

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actually hitler killed all those people, we and our freinds stopped him thank god

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