I was a key note speaker in o4 for the Colorado State Libertarian Party at their State meeting in Montrose Colorado. Micheal Bandneric was a hoot ! (He ran for Pres for those that may not recgognize the name.)
Cheers !
Good points.
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I couldn't agree more. Why do some see the government as the answer to all of our problems? If they had more successful programs I could see it but what the hell? I think everyone agrees that something needs to be done. Why isn't controlling cost being discussed? Or tightening the reigns on the insurance industry? Could it be because the insurance industry has the government in their pockets? I think we could figure out some different ways to fix the problem without spending ourselves into oblivion and getting the government involved in my healthcare.

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Medicare will be bankrupt, unless healthy people can be forced to buy higher prived health insurance, or the government has the power to limit care.

That's what this is all about.

It's not about the 17 - 40 million who are uninsured, because most of them won't be covered... there's nothing "universal" about this healthcare bill.

Here's a good example of what happens when you rely on government to help you, rather than helping yourself, and relying on each other.

Here's how the government took care of Katrina victims


Here's how government took care of welfare recipients - who believed housing was a right.


And here's how the govenment takes care of it's war heros

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[QUOTE=Green Cross;3297194]Medicare will be bankrupt, unless healthy people can be forced to buy higher prived health insurance, or the government has the power to limit care.

That's what this is all about.

It's not about the 17 - 40 million who are uninsured, because most of them won't be covered... there's nothing "universal" about this healthcare bill.

Here's a good example of what happens when you rely on government to help you, rather than helping yourself, and relying on each other.

Here's how the government took care of Katrina victims
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Actually- I was in Florida then and it really was the fault of Louisiana public servant then as well as years before.
What the media has not really said was that in the late 60's LA was given all the monet they needed to fix the leivies. None were fixed.
Welcome to Bobby Jindal was overwhelmingly elected.
Back door- good ol'e boy corruption.
So... the State of Loisiana didn't do sqwat so the media - hateing Bush- placed the Blame on Bush; like it was HIS fault!

What about the responsibility of the States FIRST.

You are not wrong for stating what you know to be true. Just go one step deeper and see how the media controls the sentiments of people. They place blame where they want it and not where it's needed.
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Just the threat of a public option had the insurance moguls pulling their hair out. Without a government health care plan, the insurance industry will continue to rape the American public to the tune of 300+ Billion a year, Denying coverage at their leisure, denying procedures at their leisure, and upping premiums and co-pays as they please. We must take the profit out of health care, set rules and conditions, and make health care about health.

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That's an excellent example Green Cross. I agree that the state of LA should've done more and seemed completely inept. I also understand that a lot of unfair blame was placed on Busch and FEMA, but it shows how people expect so much of the federal government and they simply are not and cannot be the answer to healthcare.

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"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" JFK.... and then they shot him.
(They meaning the Banksters)
Screw their worthless (and less) currency.

Remember JFK
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I'm not real sure what JFK has to do with healthcare reform but I think I see your point. I think government wants to control every aspect of our lives. Some people seem to like this idea as well. Before long maybe we can get them to wipe our asses for us after we take a shit too. Larger government is not going to fix healthcare! I almost want government to take it over so people will see how bad it will be. It won't take long for people to yearn for the old system that was jacked up, but still better than government control, back.

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I don't understand why this is whole fiasco is titled "Health Care Reform." They aren't reforming health care, they are reforming health insurance... big difference in my mind.
Also, there is not a problem with the health care industry, there is a problem with the judicial system - specifically Malpractice Law. You fix that problem you fix health care.
Our country practices defensive medicine - The doctors will run every test fathomable for the disorder/disease, along with some others that are not necessary, but rather are used to cover themselves in the courtroom. Basically instead of performing say 5 diagnostic tests, they are performing 15 (just putting numbers out there, the following is more important...). They are forced to do this because of how easy it is for people to sue them if they "didn't do everything possible" or whatever other excuse a family might find. Why would doctors risk getting sued for millions of dollar when they can easily cover their asses with every test imaginable and have insurance cover all the costs/tests?
Now lets see, what does this do to health care costs? They go ski-high.
You fix medical malpractice, you fix health care.

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That's about it.

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