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Old 11-03-2009, 09:02 PM
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Well shit, that's news to me.. I guess that means I can stop sending my health insurance company my hard earned money every month. Because if anyone can just get medical care for free why not right. lol. Yeah sure, maybe if I was homeless or dirt poor then that might be a realistic way to get healthcare. The hospitals will stick you with a 30,000 dollar bill if you're uninsured. They will take your home if they have to. There are a shitload of regular folks who have had bad accidents or illnesses and because they didn't have insurance they got stuck with a massve bill.
They can't take your home to pay for medical costs either, its against the law.

If you are homeless and they take your home, do they take your cardboard box?
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If you're uninsured and refuse to pay your bill they can and will take your home, car, or whatever else of value you have.
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Have you ever NOT paid a bill? thats how you get free health care. Even if you have been billed 10 million dollars worth of services that hospital still cannot turn you away for treatment. You get it for free and the rest of the shmucks each pay a little extra on their payment to cover those who don't pay. Its not going to be any different when the gubbermint gets involved, only they are going to take it out of your paycheck whether or not you go to see the doctor.
so you saying I should just drop my health coverage and just go into a hospital and then never pay a bill and that would be better then just giving us Health Care For All
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so you saying I should just drop my health coverage and just go into a hospital and then never pay a bill and that would be better then just giving us Health Care For All
There we go with that straw man logic again. I never said for anyone to do that, but there ARE people who do do that kind of thing or did you not know that?
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:17 PM
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If you're uninsured and refuse to pay your bill they can and will take your home, car, or whatever else of value you have.
there are states that have laws against this, but yes doob, by using the legal system they could eventually get a Lien on your home in other states without those laws. You can legally get around this by giving your house away to a relative free of charge. that relative could then rent you the use of the house for say like $1 per month. or some other ridiculous but totally legal loophole could be used to help you keep your home. And if you have no equity or are underwater on your mortgage, sure what the hell why not let the hospital have the house and they can make all those wonderful million dollar house payments for a $120,000 home. Fight fire with Fire.

It doesn't normally come to this if you are willing to negotiate with the hospital, one of my old roommates got a $37,000 bill nearly completely paid for by charitable causes and the fact that he made a big stink about how much more he was getting billed than what an insured person would have gotten billed for the same services and had it reduced to $11,500.

The hospital administrators do not sit up in penthouse offices coming up with schemes on how to make the patient pay ever more money to the hospital you know. They are people like you and me.
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There we go with that straw man logic again. I never said for anyone to do that, but there ARE people who do do that kind of thing or did you not know that?
Hey Aunt Sally stop setting up stupid example that you know will only get knock the phuck down...And no personally I don't know people who do that....The people I know try to pay all their bills ( unless they doing something I don't know ), but I guess that's how you roll...so again it would be cheaper for me in the long run to just give everyone Health Care For All so I don't have to keep paying for people like yourself who just go to the hospital and then never pay your bill jeeezzzzzz
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so you saying I should just drop my health coverage and just go into a hospital and then never pay a bill and that would be better then just giving us Health Care For All



No shit eh!!! I'll bet none of these guys who think everyone can get free health care at the ER have ever done so themselves.
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No shit eh!!! I'll bet none of these guys who think everyone can get free health care at the ER have ever done so themselves.
Hospitals don't turn people away. That is the argument that is being thrown about by the supporters of healthcare reform. I never said they weren't going to send you the bill. You can file for bankruptcy which in most cases completely erases the debt. In most states they can't take your house or your primary means of transportation. They can garnish your wages but can only take 25% of your gross pay each pay period. Student loans cannot be written off through bankruptcy. These are federal student loans we're talking about here. If the government takes over healthcare it's only a matter of time before they add medical bills to the list of things that can't be written off through bankruptcy. In states where laws don't protect you from losing your home (I'm not aware of any) if you have a mortgage they can't take the home from the bank. And as NoDrama pointed out there are simple measures you can take which are totally legal to protect your assets.
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ROFL...man is this guy lost or what....He says go to the hospital and then don't pay your bill..then you can file for bankruptcy...is that suppose to be a good thing....WTF ..much easier and cheaper to just give HEALTH CARE FOR ALL....
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You can legally get around this by giving your house away to a relative free of charge. that relative could then rent you the use of the house for say like $1 per month. or some other ridiculous but totally legal loophole could be used to help you keep your home.



And then you can never own anything again the rest of your life or get a loan..





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I never said they weren't going to send you the bill. You can file for bankruptcy which in most cases completely erases the debt.







Now after reading through all of these tired and weak points and some of the other posts from you two it makes me wonder if the only reason you all oppose health care reform is because when it passes it will make President Obama and the Democrats look very good to the average American. Now its time for everyone to put down their anti President Obama kool-aid and actually read through and reflect upon some of the silly horsepuckey before you decide to post it.

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