Seems pretty idealistic to me. I'll retract my statement that it will never happen but seriously.....we are a long way from anarchy actually working. And I mean a long way!

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I can assure you, if the supreme court finds Obama to be ineligible to be President.... the time line will compress as you sleep.

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Do you seriously think this will happen?

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it is a goal, a path worth traveling. if we must go in one direction or the other, why not chose the one that affords the most freedom for the individual? down the other road lies slavery and i really don't think we need to go there.

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No court will ever overturn an election for president that was certified by congress, never. They will say the will of the voters trumps eligibility and the objections should have come earlier. Of course they would say he couldn't run again. It's really a moot point because if Obama ever thought the bc would be subpoena'd (which would have to come before any court ruled) he would resign and the bc would remain secret and we still wouldn't know.

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A world without slaves probably seemed idealistic to many in the early 1800's. Every necessary social change in history has been met with fear and uncertainty, though it did not make the ideas behind the change any less valid.

I know it can be tempting to dismiss an idea as revolutionary as "social order derived through non-violent solutions", but it deserves rigorous examination in light of the seemingly universal belief in this thread that government is "evil".

The burden of proof is not on the voluntarists who are proposing a "lifeboat" solution. It is on the statist to prove that thier ship isn't sinking. On the other hand, they can feel free to debate us on the practicality of our lifeboat as they stand waist deep in freezing water. By the way, we think our lifeboat is really really solid.

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The whole idea of anarchy operates on the assumption that everyone else is as reasonable and civilized as you. They aren't. Unfortunately we need law and a mechanism to enforce these laws. How many times have you been pissed at someone and said "I could kill that person". With no fear of punishment more people would act on these types of impulses and then people would be crying for laws and police and such. I think we need a good balance of freedom and rule of law. Right now we are leaning way to heavily in the direction of the latter.

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Your fears on the surface seem reasonable and justified. Is it possible that you don't have a clear understanding of how a voluntaristic society could work? I'm not sure if you are trying to shut the idea out or if you really are curious to understand the principles behind voluntarism (or if you DO understand voluntarism and fundamentally disagree for some reason).

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I understand how it works and I respect your opinion. I think it sounds like a wonderful shangri-la. Have you ever heard the saying "A few bad apples spoils the bunch". This is always the problem with these types of utopias. You have someone that wants more and will go to any lengths to get it. Or the guy that gets pissed because his neighbors fence is overlapping onto his property by 1/2 an inch and goes postal. We aren't even close to the point in human evolution where people can be trusted to put the needs of a society before their own desires and needs.

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Just an FYI ... there are more slaves today than at the end of the US Civil war. Just thought you might like to know it never ended, it just moved and continued as always.

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