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You must have a very low bar for measuring success. I can't think of one yet.
Missile shield .. gone .. got nothing in return Top jet fighters .. gone .. who needs high tech equipment? Stimulus .. didn't work .. where's the rest of the money? Cash for Clunkers .. didn't work .. it did help unions though (with our tax money) Gitmo .. still there .. what's the problem? Obama has become a punching bag for our enemies. He coddles the dictators and disses his allies. Health Care .. a butchers tale .. Needing a political victory is a poor swap for mountainous debt and less quality health care. Drop the ego Obama. Obama bows to Saudi Kings and yet can't maintain protocol with the Queen of England. He professes to want to make a nuke free world (keep dreaming!) while he doesn't even mention the countries of Iran and North Korea in that speech... nice touch. Obama ignores the green revolution going on in Iran (yes, it's still going on but you couldn't tell that by listening to the White House), and yet finds time to scold Honduras for following their own constitution. He is either incompetent .. or he hates us all.
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I think so too
Who loves Obama? Russia China Iran N. Korea Venezuela Cuba That's quite a list of admirers.....
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Obama HAS done at least one thing that is positive in my opinion. He is ending (and has already ended for NG and Reserves) stop loss for all soldiers in the US military.
He's right about it not being fair to force somebody to stay who is beyond their active contract, especially when the volunteered in the first place. It's a way of indirectly drafting people, and was never meant to be used on such a large scale. The stop loss policy has been abused for too many years now, and I'm glad that it's coming to an end. So many people seem all about this war that they haven't participated in. It's easy to be such a hardass from your couch. ..and yes, I think he's competent, and much more so than the alternative option at the time of his election. Last edited by doitinthewoods; 10-24-2009 at 08:30 PM.. |
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I think he can do that because he wants to retract from both wars. Yes, it is a good thing tho. But we need a cogent plan in Afghanistan & Pakistan... things are getting out of control... if he decides to fight... the longer he waits.... the greater the cost in lives.
How many soldiers are going to die simply because Obama can't come to grips on what to do about Afghanistan? That place is becoming less safe every day.
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Gee, how cogent...
the missile shield was given up for NOTHING..... no way around that. Obama was naive. The NEW plan is the cover your arse political plan and nobody in the military thinks it is even close to being the same deterrent. F-22's Oh I see.... 350 mil is too much? Why the concern now? Obama has NO trouble spending a TRILLION dollars on a non existent crisis, but 350 million per plane is too much... oh..okay. It hasn't flown in combat... so what? It's kind of the point....perceived strength reduces violence. By the way.... we have many countries itching to buy these Jets...so the 350 Million price tag is bogus. Gitmo.... Ur just repeating the excuses Obama gives.... He promised to close it down. Either he knew he was lying on the campaign trail or he is super naive. Punching bag.... no not just missile shield. We are losing our grip on world affairs...which means democracy is losing its grip. Dictators LOVE Obama...when is that EVER a good thing???? And a BIG PS ... the cold war is NOT over. Russia doesn't believe that and it takes two. They have been actively weakening us since Obama took office. Hillary was literally made fun of in Moscow last week. They smell the fear. They didn't even bother for her to leave the country before they slammed her. That's not respect..... they don't respect us. Govt. health care is NOT what the American ppl want. Taking away free will is NOT the answer.... EVER!! Freedoms given away never come back. The Queen has protocol...you insult the country of England when you cannot even bother to learn them. It's about being able to act like a class guy. He and Michelle failed miserably in that area. Bush holding the Saudis hand is not a negative portrayal nor is it SUBMISSIVE. Holding the Kings hand strengthened Bush's image, there's a big difference between taking someone's hand and BOWING to them. Presidents don't bow. Too concerned about nukes? Put down the pipe.... Obama has been completely inept with Iran. they too are laughing at Obama... and us. The latest agreement now legitimizes Irans program and makes sure they give 5% enriched and receive 17.5% enriched in return....taking the time to high grade weaponry from four months to four weeks. How about supporting the ppl of Iran? Too much to ask? Perhaps they can bring about the change needed. Obama has been GUTLESS and the world watxches it all. Dictators watch .. and learn. The despots have learned that this is their chance to get one up. A noob like Obama is more than they could have ever hoped for. They know it won't last and are taking every advantage possible,....before the country can replace Obama.
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What the US government is trying to accomplish in that region of the world is something that is going to take at least 20 years. The sad thing is, it will probalby never happen and will be time spent in vain. The people there really don't care either way as long as SOMEBODY is pouring money in to their corrupt government (2nd weakest in the world, next to somalia which has no real government). We're trying to win hearts and minds. We build schools for their children and they burn them down ( the locals, not taliban) because they know that we'll just build them a better one and when it is suitable they keep it, and turn it in to a taliban training facility, or hospital. We provide millions in humanitarian aid, and the locals sell it for profit, or give it to the taliban. That's the "plan". Hearts and minds...... and they're sticking to it. At this point, they feel like they owe it to them. The thing is, the people don't care. Their hearts and minds are with whoever gives them the most because they don't want to do it themselves. Too many people have already died fighting a war for people who don't give a fuck about you or me, when they should have been doing it themselves the whole time. They have no sense of ownership, or allegiance to their country. That's the difference between us and them. They will not fight for their own shit; their own freedom from oppression. They're perfectly happy letting us attempt to do it for them, while throwing unbelivable amounts of money in to their government. I was there in 2004-2005 and 2007-2008, and from what I could tell, there was 0 progress made. The sickest thing about it is, 90% of the weapons they use against us, were bought by us. It's almost like the whole thing has been staged, and was a very deliberate plan that was designed in the early 80's by the US government. I'm not going to go in to depth about the rules of engagement, but they are a joke. Just keep that in mind when you think about all the weapons that we have, or are losing. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter, because we can't use them according to the geneva convention. Last edited by doitinthewoods; 10-24-2009 at 10:29 PM.. |
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