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Old 10-22-2009, 03:11 PM
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Default Arguing with Leftists
There is no question that those on the Right are at a disadvantage when arguing with those on the Left. Those on the Right feel obligated to post well constructed, poignant arguments that are cohesive and accurate.

The Left on the other hand bears no such responsibility. Those on the Left, need only accuse the other person of being a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe or xenophobe, or of being narrow minded or ignorant. 99% of the time, this is how they respond to points made by the Right.

On occasion, those on the Left will evoke the old appeal to ignorance and demand to see studies when clearly either non exist or the topic is not one that can be proved by a study or at all for that matter.

Of course reasonable people know that many social issues and certainly most of the great questions can not be proved. But never the less, the Left will argue that if you can't show proof you must be wrong.

I've also noticed another tendency of the left. This is the tendency to chop up an argument into bite sized pieces and respond with mindless one line challenges to each statement made by the other person. The technique is to shatter the context of the person's argument and set up an pawn line of straw men based on numerous fragments of the other persons argument. Once this pawn line of straw men is created, they try to knock them down so it appears that they are proving their case when the reality is that they have failed to address a single key issue. This is what we see when we see heavy use of multi-quoting. Note that responses in multi-quotes are always responses to specific verbiage and never to the larger issues. This also makes it less likely the other person will respond in turn since once a post has been multi-quoted it is pretty much vandalized and very hard to respond to. This is a form of argument by verbosity in which an attempt is made to just over burden you opponent with meaningless straw men and make him quit due to time constraints.

Anyway, that is what it is like to argue with the Left. The one thing you will not see is a well conceived, well articulated argument. You will however hear charges that you are ignorant, hateful, racist, sexist, a bigot, a homophobe, etc.
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There is no question that those on the Right are at a disadvantage when arguing with those on the Left. Those on the Right feel obligated to post well constructed, poignant arguments that are cohesive and accurate.

The Left on the other hand bears no such responsibility. Those on the Left, need only accuse the other person of being a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe or xenophobe, or of being narrow minded or ignorant. 99% of the time, this is how they respond to points made by the Right.

On occasion, those on the Left will evoke the old appeal to ignorance and demand to see studies when clearly either non exist or the topic is not one that can be proved by a study or at all for that matter.

Of course reasonable people know that many social issues and certainly most of the great questions can not be proved. But never the less, the Left will argue that if you can't show proof you must be wrong.

I've also noticed another tendency of the left. This is the tendency to chop up an argument into bite sized pieces and respond with mindless one line challenges to each statement made by the other person. The technique is to shatter the context of the person's argument and set up an pawn line of straw men based on numerous fragments of the other persons argument. Once this pawn line of straw men is created, they try to knock them down so it appears that they are proving their case when the reality is that they have failed to address a single key issue. This is what we see when we see heavy use of multi-quoting. Note that responses in multi-quotes are always responses to specific verbiage and never to the larger issues. This also makes it less likely the other person will respond in turn since once a post has been multi-quoted it is pretty much vandalized and very hard to respond to. This is a form of argument by verbosity in which an attempt is made to just over burden you opponent with meaningless straw men and make him quit due to time constraints.

Anyway, that is what it is like to argue with the Left. The one thing you will not see is a well conceived, well articulated argument. You will however hear charges that you are ignorant, hateful, racist, sexist, a bigot, a homophobe, etc.
If you want legitimate debate and are upset by the quality on this forum, then I would ask why the hell you continue arguing here. You want rounded debate, go to a fucking debate. They have them at every major college and most high schools all over the country. The season starts now and goes until March, so quit whining and go watch one. If you wanna participate, join an on-line debate site. There are plenty.

You may even like the national topics right now:

Policy: the US government should substantially increase social services for persons living in poverty

L/D: national health crises justifies compulsory vaccination
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:59 PM
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Generalizing might be fun for you, but it is never an accurate portrayal of anything.

The easter bunny gives children candy, does this mean ALL rabbits are hiding secret stashes of tasty confections?

It's even more ridiculous that you assert republicans are ALWAYS on the correct side of the argument. If that were actually the case, then why is the republican party shrinking? Are 80% of Americans completely witless, or is it perhaps time you took a step back and evaluated your own politics and consider that maybe it's YOU who is on the wrong side of the debate?
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Notice the straw man arguments above. Two great examples.
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Notice the straw man arguments above. Two great examples.

You're projecting again, Rick.

YOUR post was a straw man argument, not mine, not jrh's.

Seriously, why don't you just go away? If you're so much smarter than everyone here (which I don't think is the case at all...growing up in Detroit it's unlikely you even graduated from High School), then go find some place where everyone is as brilliant as you are and nobody disagrees with you.

I recommend the Fox Nation forums. You'll fit right in over there.
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Well, you've certainly proved your ignorance. You want a straw man, see your comments summarizing all Lefties in a fallacious manner. You're claiming we straw-man'ed you, but your comments single-handedly straw-man'ed every non-republican in America. Do you see the fallacy?
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You must be getting paid for this through the RP, Your so hell bent on trashing the Left,,,Get a real job, and if your at work posting this you sould be fired! Damn man get a life!
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^^^^^^ like this post here....Lib's don't have defensible data which can be supported....hence the typical argument is personal or diversionary. It's an argument of deflection. Liberalism cannot withstand straight up scrutiny.

Liberals lost their guts on Vietnam and have never recovered form the guilt of killing millions in SE Asia.
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You must be getting paid for this through the RP, Your so hell bent on trashing the Left,,,Get a real job, and if your at work posting this you sould be fired! Damn man get a life!
Damn it! I did forget to list garden variety insults. I'll have to edit my post later. Thanks for the perfect examples guys.

And you are right, I better quit posting at work before the boss finds out. Oh, that's right, I own the company!
 

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