"we have a nation of unhealthy slugs who smoke, drink, fuck and TV themselves into diabetes, heart disease, obesity, AIDS and a whole list of other ailments that are completely preventable. it's absolute theft to make me pay for someone else's decisions about their health and if it comes to that i will refuse to pay one cent of my taxes any longer; you will be able to contact me at the Brown's residence!"

Exactly!

If health care at the expense of another is truely a "right," then we must consider that rights come with responsibility. We're gonna need a government mandated diet of greens, fruits, healthy proteins and fresh water. In addition, all smoking will have to be outlawed as well as alcohol consumption. Every citizen will be mandated to take a body mass index (BMI) test on a quartly basis. If the maximun BMI is exceded, then its hit the treadmill time for all those who've fallen off the food wagon. For those who simply will not comply, well ... the government will have ways to MAKE you comply.

Why is it that so many who espouse more and more government control over our lives cannot see the slippery slope they are creating?

Vi

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Wake up, you were just having a bad dream, Geeze, you'd have to give up those nasty ass cigars, now I understand.

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don't you pay for other people when you buy insurance anyway? And doesn't the state already pay for care it isn't receiving? I don't see the difference, except that the people sitting on the tops of the health insurance companies would stop making billions ripping us off.

And how would you fuck your way to diabetes? I thought that fucking was always safe and recommended? very healthy...

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Have you ever heard the term "Bet yer sweet ass?"

Vi

PS: Med ... how would you square your vote for Ron Paul based upon his following quote?:

"There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is
hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a future of prosperity for ourselves and our families."

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here's one responce from Vi that I actually agree with. While the idea of health care for ALL in the U.S. seems like something a rich, powerful and responsible nation could be able to achieve, I haven't yet heard a reasonable solution to it.

what's wrong with that comment? taxing our INCOME was and still is illegal, according to the constitution. there are better ways to fund the government programs we need then giving up part of our paycheck.

the fair tax has my vote.

yeah, i've heard of it. but i'll repeat: aren't you against insurance companies giving away your payments to some asshole getting some life-necessary surgery! He eats like a bag of chips a day, gets no exercise, but has still managed to get insurance, and to the tune of your hard earned money!

By arguing against national health care on principle, you're arguing against insurance. You just don't want to pay for poor people: how unhealthy they are is really unimportant. And the fact is that your rates would go down if you would get insurance companies, companies that earn money by keeping money and literally not helping people, out of the picture. But even if you keep them in the name of smaller government and more efficient service, pass a law like they have in germany requiring everyone to have insurance, and more people paying in means lower rates for everyone.

The police, army, firefighters, all of it covers everyone. Why not health care? Dubious defense contractors make billions to fight a shadow enemy. Can we not invest in health care and education for children? Since you're not against the principle, really, of giving your money to someone else, Vi...

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"From the psychopharmalogical standpoint we now understand these [religious/mystical] states to be changes in brain chemistry. From the sociological perspective we see that they tended to be connected in some way with religion."
--Huston Smith, "Do Drugs Have Religious Import?"

Check out my first grow ever: White Widow and Santa Maria! Input obviously accepted...
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...nta-maria.html

Again, I see you have failed to read my views on Ron Paul and only come back with your vain un-informed arguements. I've stated that I like most of pauls agenda, but take issue with him of taxation and social programs.
I also stated that I'd be willing to vote for him because he wouldn't be able to force those programs through, and he might make some changes for the better.
Anyone that thinks Paul will be able to come to power and make all those changes in his one and only term, is dreaming. By the time he has made a few changes, the powers that be will put him in bed with a sheep and take pictures and run him out of town on a rail. I'd be hoping that he could reverse all the Bush fuck-ups and legalize MJ, and restore some of our constitutional rights. I seriously doubt he'd get rid of the FED, (they'd kill him first) And that means that the income tax would be here to stay.
All the dreamers that see Paul as the great social reformer must take a more cynical look at history. When you threaten the elites and the great powers that control our government and world, you are short lived. IE. John F. Kennedy.
Make no mistake, Paul would be assasinated quick, and it would be blamed on some left wing radical, can you say Lee Harvey Oswald.

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yes, i barely use my insurance but that's why it's called insurance, it's there when we need it. the best part is that i can cancel, transfer or modify my insurance coverage. if the state takes over, that won't be an option.








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i don't know if you've never handled insurance yourself, but you have to apply and answers questions about your weight, health, etc. they charge the self-destructive people more; as they should.



















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