I wonder if it is better to be an educated fool or an uneducated fool. In both case you're a fool, however it is probable the uneducated has no clue is a fool too. Life is good!

Vred, I d' like to know where you got your stats! have you ever lived or worked in Europe? do you understand how the CEE works? are you sure Europe is outsourcing is work force? here in the U.S, every time you call a 1-800, some guy with a turban on his head living in India is talking half english and doesn't give a shit about who you are or what you want. The only ones you see working in restaurant, supermarket, gas stations, etc... are ... ? often illegals. Whatever you buy has to be made in China and you like it because it is cheaper. Wall-mart and Costco are the ultimate shopping places no matter the origin of the products. Excuse me. if there is a country that outsource his jobs, guess who it is? There is no proud anymore and everybody is for sale, nobody cares ...

Regarding unemployment ratio, the way Europeans manage their numbers is different than here and we can't compare the stats. Are you aware of what are the requisites in Europe to qualify for unemployment or subsidiary? probably not. One thing is sure, there are more homeless in the number one America than in Europe and nobody has a credit card maxed out with $100k or nobody was to mortgage his life to pay his medical bills, it just doesn't work that way. And this, thanks to so called "leftist" trend where people have the "cojones" to go in the street and burn cars.

Now, talking about population growth, don't believe whatever they say on TV, who says they are here to tell the truth? The ratio in Europe is far to be negative but represent in general about 50% less than the U.S., except for Ireland where it is even higher than in U.S. However, many factors influence the growth of a population such as religion, financial status and lifestyle. Most important, understand that only Washington, Alaska, Hawaii, New York and Rode Island are pro abortion on request, another 16 states including California will consider abortion under certain circumstances and 30 states are against it. In Europe, abortion is legal since almost 3 decades, Ireland and Malta are the only one where it is somehow restricted. It is then evident there is a very tight relation between the growth of the population and the abortion legislation in place.

It is true, all Europe have established laws that ultra protect the employee and small businesses can't make it. But let me tell you that here in California, we are not that far, the labor board is even worse and you expose yourself to extortion when hiring anybody. Due to a lack of regulation in some aspect of the law, it is a nonsense circus that would make smile the Spanish inquisitors. And no matter what, we already pay the money, work comps are ridiculously expensive and do not cover a third of the future FHC.

Nobody within a healthy state of mind can say FHC is a bad idea unless he has another agenda than the safety of The People. Now, I agree that this bad news for the health and the pharmaco industry and will put a dent into the budget but I rather spend money to bring health than to bring death, if you see what I mean.

In order to see if free health care is good or bad, it's easy ... get a pen, a paper and calculate what would be your actual cost. Then, compare it to the thousands of dollar you spend with your actual private insurance which are a total joke, and don't forget to include all your medical bills if you were unlucky to get sick. I forgot, free health care consider the entire house hold, so update the numbers.

So the bottom line, whether it is a socialist initiative or not and as long it will beneficiate millions of people who can't afford health in the actuality, let it be! A society should distinct itself by the good it can bring to its own and this is definitely a good thing.

Whether the people want it or not and at what cost. I guess that doesn't matter.

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