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The Latest Bad News from Baghdad: Is Success Not Possible?

Reuters reports today:
Gunmen in Iraqi police uniforms rounded up as many as 100 men at a government building in central Baghdad on Tuesday, in what may be the biggest mass kidnap seen in a city becoming used to such violence.
It bore the hallmarks of sectarian militias operating under cover of the security forces, although senior officials and witnesses differed over how far minority Sunnis were the target.
Other reports place the number of the abuducted up to 150. NPR reports that the nation's education minister has shut down colleges and universities, explaining that there is not enough security for the schools to function. It was unclear if this suspension was temporary or longer. But there seems to be the possibility that higher education in Iraq has been killed. The New York Times reports:
A few hours after the incident, a spokesman for the interior ministry went on national television to report that arrest warrants had been issued for five senior police commanders with responsibilities in the area.
Flashback to yesterday, when President Bush was asked by a reporter about his morning meeting with former Secretary of State James Baker and members of Baker's Iraq Study Group, which will soon be releasing a report on possible alternative strategies for the United States in Iraq. Bush said:
And so we had a really good discussion. I'm not sure what the report is going to say. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I believe this: I believe that it's important for us to succeed in Iraq, not only for our security, but for the security of the Middle East, and that I'm looking forward to interesting ideas. In the meantime, General Pete Pace is leading investigations within the Pentagon as to how to reach our goal, which is success, a government which can sustain, govern, and defend itself, and will serve as an ally in this war on terror.
But as today's horrific event shows, success may not be possible. Right now the Bush administration is supporting a Shia-dominated government in Iraq that cannot control Shia death squads. The United States has helped trained a police force that is infiltrated by various militias and riddled with officers loyal to their tribes and sects and not the government. (And police trainees are regularly targeted by insurgents. Three dozen police recruits were killed by two suicide bombings on Sunday.) The United States has trained hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops unable and/or unwilling to fight. A month ago, the interior minister was forced to suspend an entire police brigade of 800 or so officers because it was linked to death squad activity. Was this progress (we're rooting out the bad apples) or another sign of failure (we've trained and equipped murderers)?
There is an ugly possibility the Baker commission has to confront: Iraq may be lost already--at least in the sense that the US government may not be able to stop the sectarian violence that is now the number-one problem (as opposed to violence orchestrated by anti-American jihadists). If that is the case, what recommendation could Baker come up with? More important, could Bush contend with--let alone acknowledge--such a reality?
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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.

"NPR reports that the nation's education minister has shut down colleges and universities, explaining that there is not enough security for the schools to function."

Do they mean to say that the colleges have been functioning in Iraq? Why the next thing you know, the NY Times will be reporting that businesses are functioning, little kids are going to school, the electricity is on and that the majority of Iraqi citizens want us to stay. Why, its getting so you can't believe a damn word the NY Times prints anymore.

Vi

By the way ... nice post from "bush-lies" dot-com.

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Wowee, David Corn posted the above piece to "Bush lies"...hahahaha
this is priceless, because this is the same David Corn who fabricated details of Plamegate....he simply made stuff up...and he posts on "Bush lies"...heheheh.
Choice!

Here is an interesting observation from Dennis Prager.....


We have not won the war in Iraq because of something completely unforeseeable: widespread massacres of Iraqi civilians by other Iraqis and Muslims. We have never seen mass murder of fellow citizens in order to remove an outside occupier. No Japanese blew up Japanese temples in order to rid Japan of the American occupier. No Germans mass murdered German schoolchildren and teachers to rid Germany of the American, British, French and Soviet occupiers.
The level of cruelty and evil exhibited by those America is fighting in Iraq is new. Had Iraq followed any precedent in all the annals of resistance to occupation, America would likely have been victorious in Iraq. It may just be impossible, if one is morally bound not to kill large numbers of civilians, to fight those who target their own civilians and hide among them. But George W. Bush had no way to foresee such systematic cruelty.
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Townhall.com::The smugness of the war's opponents::By Dennis Prager

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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.

Well, that’s a very fair question med;
it seems to me that there are two options.....redeploy, cut and run or give-up.
Or what I think will be more effective.....the novel concept of killing all of the bad guys we can...we need to dispense with the anchor of political correctness....the best way to prevail is to get serious about killing ALL of our self avowed enemies....we should at least give it a shot before running away!!!

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If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT.
~ Frank Zappa ~

Liberty means responsibility, that is why most men dread it.
~George Bernard Shaw~

I think that would involve killing most iraqi men between 14 and 40. Are you up for that? Just leave the women and children and old farts there to Hate America for life. There is no solution except to leave. Sorry, It was a bad war that cost 100,000+++ lives, but to continue is more insanity. To waste one more American life, let alone all the Iraqis that will be killed on our be-half is Crazy! Just pony up and admit it was a bad Idea to invade, and then get the hell out. Yeah there will be sectarian violence that we have unleashed, pin that on Bush also, but we can't solve all the worlds problems, and the sooner we learn that, the better off we'll be!

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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.

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"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn

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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.

Oh yes ... there's the answer right there! Let's start apologizing for the cruise ship from which muslim radicals threw the american in the wheelchair into the sea. Then, we can apologize for the Beruit bombing and our dead Marines. After that, let's say were sorry for the U.S Cole bombing. Then we'll move on to the first Trade Center bombing. Oh, we don't want to miss our apologies for 9-11 either. And finally, let's just kiss their asses and they will go away!

Vi

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"I suppose I always knew America would eventually break the planet, like some ghastly, hyperactive toddler that gets hold of a mobile phone and then smashes it repeatedly against the edge of a table". Quote from british journalist.