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Old 09-29-2009, 05:01 PM
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Default The Left and Logical Fallacies.
Anyone here who isn't on the far Left but has ever discussed politics with them knows that the Left rarely addresses any issue on its merits. Instead, what they do is use any number of logical fallacies to try to toe their party line no matter how absurd their position.

The most common is the ad-hominem attack which is Latin for "against the man." Basically, this is a personal attack against someone who puts forth an argument instead of a legitimate refutation of the person's argument. It is the first fallacy listed in this link.

Note the numerous personal attacks on Glenn Beck that lack any attempt at a legitimate refutation of any of his points. By the way, did anyone hate him when he was on CNN?

Anyway, I strongly urge everyone to poke around on this website. Great stuff to know.


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Yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Duh? I hated his Ideas about after the second time I saw his perverted Ideas, on CNN. I always said he needed to move to FOX, mission complete. He now abides with all the other crazies.
BTW, as far as refuting the right's positions, how does one refute craziness? It is totally illogical to even begin to argue with idiocy and craziness, IE Beck, Hannity, Palin, Limbaugh etc.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:25 PM
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BTW, as far as refuting the right's positions, how does one refute craziness? It is totally illogical to even begin to argue with idiocy and craziness, IE Beck, Hannity, Palin, Limbaugh etc.

HAHA and med goes right for the bait! You show 'em Med the enslaver!!


Logical Fallacies, I made these clickable.

  1. Ad Hominem
  2. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
  3. Appeal to Authority
  4. Appeal to Belief
  5. Appeal to Common Practice
  6. Appeal to Consequences of a Belief
  7. Appeal to Emotion
  8. Appeal to Fear
  9. Appeal to Flattery
  10. Appeal to Novelty
  11. Appeal to Pity
  12. Appeal to Popularity
  13. Appeal to Ridicule
  14. Appeal to Spite
  15. Appeal to Tradition
  16. Bandwagon
  17. Begging the Question
  18. Biased Sample
  19. Burden of Proof
  20. Circumstantial Ad Hominem
  21. Composition
  22. Confusing Cause and Effect
  23. Division
  24. False Dilemma
  25. Gambler's Fallacy
  26. Genetic Fallacy
  27. Guilt By Association
  28. Hasty Generalization
  29. Ignoring A Common Cause
  30. Middle Ground
  31. Misleading Vividness
  32. Personal Attack
  33. Poisoning the Well
  34. Post Hoc
  35. Questionable Cause
  36. Red Herring
  37. Relativist Fallacy
  38. Slippery Slope
  39. Special Pleading
  40. Spotlight
  41. Straw Man
  42. Two Wrongs Make A Right

This all part and parcel of the Progressive Agenda Operations manual.
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HAHA and med goes right for the bait! You show 'em Med the enslaver!!


Logical Fallacies, I made these clickable.

  1. Ad Hominem
  2. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
  3. Appeal to Authority
  4. Appeal to Belief
  5. Appeal to Common Practice
  6. Appeal to Consequences of a Belief
  7. Appeal to Emotion
  8. Appeal to Fear
  9. Appeal to Flattery
  10. Appeal to Novelty
  11. Appeal to Pity
  12. Appeal to Popularity
  13. Appeal to Ridicule
  14. Appeal to Spite
  15. Appeal to Tradition
  16. Bandwagon
  17. Begging the Question
  18. Biased Sample
  19. Burden of Proof
  20. Circumstantial Ad Hominem
  21. Composition
  22. Confusing Cause and Effect
  23. Division
  24. False Dilemma
  25. Gambler's Fallacy
  26. Genetic Fallacy
  27. Guilt By Association
  28. Hasty Generalization
  29. Ignoring A Common Cause
  30. Middle Ground
  31. Misleading Vividness
  32. Personal Attack
  33. Poisoning the Well
  34. Post Hoc
  35. Questionable Cause
  36. Red Herring
  37. Relativist Fallacy
  38. Slippery Slope
  39. Special Pleading
  40. Spotlight
  41. Straw Man
  42. Two Wrongs Make A Right
This all part and parcel of the Progressive Agenda Operations manual.
Like I said, how does one argue with crazies???
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Like I said, how does one argue with crazies???
You post their argument and then use logic to demonstrate why they are incorrect. Its called legitimate debate; something you don't experience too much on the Left. But hay, why address an argument on its merits when you can simply call the person a name.
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You post their argument and then use logic to demonstrate why they are incorrect. Its called legitimate debate; something you don't experience too much on the Left. But hay, why address an argument on its merits when you can simply call the person a name.
How can one have an articulate debate with someone that spells hey "hay"? Hay is for horses, cows, etc. The arguements being espoused by the right aren't intelligent enough to debate anyway. It is pure hate and illogical reasoning. You can't debate crazy!
Please explain why single payer health care is a bad Idea. If you put forth a reasonable arguement, yours, not someone else's, I'd be glad to debate you. Every time I debate one of you right wing crazies, you come back with some lamester like Glenn Beck, or Ann Cuntler. Think for yourself man.
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How can one have an articulate debate with someone that spells hey "hay"? Hay is for horses, cows, etc. The arguements being espoused by the right aren't intelligent enough to debate anyway. It is pure hate and illogical reasoning. You can't debate crazy!
Please explain why single payer health care is a bad Idea. If you put forth a reasonable arguement, yours, not someone else's, I'd be glad to debate you. Every time I debate one of you right wing crazies, you come back with some lamester like Glenn Beck, or Ann Cuntler. Think for yourself man.
I'm not about to spend the time required to argue why socialized medicine is a bad idea. Besides, I think there are a number of economists that would do a much better job. If someone else wants to its their prerogative.

However, since you are the one attacking a whole list of people, why don't you pick any one article written by any of those people and demonstrate why it is incorrect. It shouldn't be very hard, most of them have written books and appear on TV daily.

Perhaps you might want to demonstrate exactly what makes these people "crazy" since you keep making that assertion.
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Default Talking about hate ...
Hey Med O'Mao ...

Where the hell have you been hiding out? Man, stop by more often, will ya? I miss goring your sacred oxen.

And talking about hate, weren't you the guy that sent me the Private Message threatening to put a .45 slug between my eyes?

And by the way (again), are you disenchanted with O'bama yet?

And ... why aren't you posting pictures of flagged-draped coffins returning from Afghanistan?
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How can one have an articulate debate with someone that spells hey "hay"? Hay is for horses, cows, etc. The arguements being espoused by the right aren't intelligent enough to debate anyway. It is pure hate and illogical reasoning. You can't debate crazy!
Please explain why single payer health care is a bad Idea. If you put forth a reasonable arguement, yours, not someone else's, I'd be glad to debate you. Every time I debate one of you right wing crazies, you come back with some lamester like Glenn Beck, or Ann Cuntler. Think for yourself man.

Wow! Med I love how you start with a Ad Hominum attack for his spelling, then go on to stick your foot in your mouth when you spell Argument WRONG, ....TWICE!! LOL
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