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Default Camile Paglia on Obama



Here is one of my favorite left of center political thinker's musings on the current state of the ObamaNation!
She is none too happy with his administration thus far…ouch!



Sept. 9, 2009 | What a difference a month makes! When my last controversial column posted on Salon in the second week of August, most Democrats seemed frozen in suspended animation, not daring to criticize the Obama administration's bungling of healthcare reform lest it give aid and comfort to the GOP. Well, that ice dam sure broke with a roar. Dissident Democrats found their voices, and by late August even the liberal lemmings of the mainstream media, from CBS to CNN, had dramatically altered their tone of reportage, from priggish disdain of the town hall insurgency to frank admission of serious problems in the healthcare bills as well as of Obama's declining national support.
But this tonic dose of truth-telling may be too little too late. As an Obama supporter and contributor, I am outraged at the slowness with which the standing army of Democratic consultants and commentators publicly expressed discontent with the administration's strategic missteps this year. I suspect there had been private grumbling all along, but the media warhorses failed to speak out when they should have -- from week one after the inauguration, when Obama went flat as a rug in letting Congress pass that obscenely bloated stimulus package. Had more Democrats protested, the administration would have felt less arrogantly emboldened to jam through a cap-and-trade bill whose costs have made it virtually impossible for an alarmed public to accept the gargantuan expenses of national healthcare reform. (Who is naive enough to believe that Obama's plan would be deficit-neutral? Or that major cuts could be achieved without drastic rationing?)

By foolishly trying to reduce all objections to healthcare reform to the malevolence of obstructionist Republicans, Democrats have managed to destroy the national coalition that elected Obama and that is unlikely to be repaired. If Obama fails to win reelection, let the blame be first laid at the door of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who at a pivotal point threw gasoline on the flames by comparing angry American citizens to Nazis. It is theoretically possible that Obama could turn the situation around with a strong speech on healthcare to Congress this week, but after a summer of grisly hemorrhaging, too much damage has been done. At this point, Democrats' main hope for the 2012 presidential election is that Republicans nominate another hopelessly feeble candidate. Given the GOP's facility for shooting itself in the foot, that may well happen.

This column has been calling for heads to roll at the White House from the get-go. Thankfully, they do seem to be falling faster -- as witness the middle-of-the-night bum's rush given to "green jobs" czar Van Jones last week -- but there's a long way to go. An example of the provincial amateurism of current White House operations was the way the president's innocuous back-to-school pep talk got sandbagged by imbecilic support materials soliciting students to write fantasy letters to "help" the president (a coercive directive quickly withdrawn under pressure). Even worse, the entire project was stupidly scheduled to conflict with the busy opening days of class this week, when harried teachers already have their hands full. Comically, some major school districts, including New York City, were not even open yet. And this is the gang who wants to revamp national healthcare?

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/...are/index.html
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By foolishly trying to reduce all objections to healthcare reform to the malevolence of obstructionist Republicans, Democrats have managed to destroy the national coalition that elected Obama and that is unlikely to be repaired.
obama's failure, precisely.

he's more willing to compromise with and pander to republicans who wish to obstruct and sabotage his policies. in his effort to win the hearts of the minority who unconditionally hate him, he's managing to prove himself ineffective to everyone.

if he can't grow a pair and unify the left then he will go down as one of the most ineffective presidents in history. not the most disastrous, of course. that crown belongs to dubya.
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Great article, Wavels ... Paglia is right on. This is exactly what every Democrat as patriotic Americans, other than those on the extreme left, should be thinking and saying. And, this is why, even with enough of a Democrat majority in the House and Senate, that Obama's health care programs will fail the necessary votes to pass.

And PVS: Conservatives don't "hate" Obama, we hate fascism. Obama's ideas are whack, as are the people he is surrounding himself with. You can't storm into office under the guise of being middle of the road, then try to jam a Hugo Chavez type of government down the throats of Middle America and not expect outrage.
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Hi and thanks, Vi!!

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This is exactly what every Democrat as patriotic Americans, other than those on the extreme left, should be thinking and saying.
^^^^^Bingo!!

Yes indeed kind Sir, I sincerely wish for this to be true!!
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^^^ Let's watch Obama's speech tonight and see how much he moves to the middle. Will he take the chance of pissing off the MoveOn types that placed him into office? Will the Blue Dog Democrats cave in? Interesting times ahead.
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[COLOR=blue]And PVS: Conservatives don't "hate" Obama, we hate fascism.
completely fallacious and gutteral rhetoric.
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obama's failure, precisely.

he's more willing to compromise with and pander to republicans who wish to obstruct and sabotage his policies. in his effort to win the hearts of the minority who unconditionally hate him, he's managing to prove himself ineffective to everyone.

if he can't grow a pair and unify the left then he will go down as one of the most ineffective presidents in history. not the most disastrous, of course. that crown belongs to dubya.
Hey PVS,

It all boils down to...
Leadership or lack thereof...
Up to this point he is veering toward feckless!
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Hey PVS,

It all boils down to...
Leadership or lack thereof...
Up to this point he is veering toward feckless!
at this point he's just been trying to please everyone and failing all around, similar to clinton at the beginning of his first term.
but yeah i agree, he needs to grow a pair, but quick.
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at this point he's just been trying to please everyone and failing all around, similar to clinton at the beginning of his first term.
but yeah i agree, he needs to grow a pair, but quick.
Well let's see ... Takeover of the auto industry. Takeover of financial institutions. Takeover of banks. Takeover of the health system. Breaking private contracts. Firing CEO and hiring new ones. Trillions of new debt.

And you think that is "completely fallacious and gutteral rhetoric" and not fascism?
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And you think that is "completely fallacious and gutteral rhetoric" and not fascism?
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