
08-22-2007, 12:56 PM
|  | Mr.Ganja Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere in Texas
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| | GOP Powergrab Scheme in California Could Swing 2008 Election If It's Not Stopped | | By Barbara Boxer, HuffingtonPost.com. Posted August 20, 2007. Just when it seemed like the Democrats had a good chance of taking the White House, along comes a cynical power grab by GOP operatives to divvy up California's electoral votes based on the number of congressional districts each candidate wins.
Just when you thought it was safe to start thinking about having a Democrat in the White House, along comes a cynical power grab by Republican operatives. And unfortunately, it's happening right here in my own state of California.
If you haven't heard already, Republican strategists recently announced plans to begin raising money for a dangerous initiative that would radically change the way California apportions our electoral votes in presidential elections.
Rather than awarding all of California's electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote -- the way it works in every single state except the small states of Maine and Nebraska -- their scheme would divvy up California's electoral votes based on the number of congressional districts each candidate wins.
What does this mean? Well, if the last few elections are any guide, rather than the Democratic nominee winning all 55 of California's electoral votes in 2008, this new partisan scheme could hand 20 of California's electoral votes to the Republican candidate and only 35 to the Democrat.
Don't get me wrong: After the 2000 and 2004 election debacles, I'm a strong advocate for election reform. But it's absolutely wrong for California to go it alone. It's just patently unfair for a large "blue" state like California to change our system for awarding electoral votes while other large states which trend "red" like Texas and Florida don't change their system at the same time.
This isn't reform -- this is a partisan power grab by Republican operatives in the Karl Rove tradition.
The initiative's sponsors claim that their plan will make the presidential candidates spend more time campaigning in California. That's nonsense. Their scheme won't make candidates come to California during a general election any more than they do now -- which is rarely, and only to raise money.
Just look at the 2006 election. In 2006, only 2 of California's 53 Congressional districts were truly in play. In the remaining 51 districts, the margin of victory for the winning Republican or Democratic House candidate was always more than 6% -- and in most cases, the difference was 20 or 30 percentage points or more.
The number of competitive districts in the 2008 election will not be much different than what we saw in 2006 -- so apportioning our electoral votes based on the winner of each Congressional district would clearly do nothing to bring the presidential candidates to California more often.
If America wants real election reform -- and I know I do -- we need to elect our President directly by the national popular vote, plain and simple. Then the candidate who receives the most votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia would be elected President. That's the fair thing to do.
If you're interested in joining the fight against this power grab by Republican operatives, I hope you'll check out FairElectionReform.com. You don't have to live in California to get involved, because by skewing the results of the 2008 presidential election, this initiative clearly will affect all Americans.
Please join me in fighting for real, fair election reform -- and rejecting this cynical partisan power grab. Poster's Note:
Looks like the Republicans have taken a lesson from Tom Delay when he pushed for a redistricting in Texas. State Courts Deemed it illegal but nothing was done about it.
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08-22-2007, 02:45 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
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| | Yeah, I posted this same article on another site. I also put in the notation about Carl Rove and Tom Delay on re-districting (Gerrymandering) Texas. Carl Rove is the devil incarnate. He's smart and evil, so's Cheney. I think Delay was just a popular good old boy, like Bush.
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08-22-2007, 02:54 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
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| | "What does this mean? Well, if the last few elections are any guide, rather than the Democratic nominee winning all 55 of California's electoral votes in 2008, this new partisan scheme could hand 20 of California's electoral votes to the Republican candidate and only 35 to the Democrat." Ahem, Ms Boxer ... why no mention as to why the Democrat Party in California wins all the state elections and has a virtual lock on the state assembly? Couldn't be because of gerrymandering, now could it? Vi
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08-22-2007, 03:17 PM
|  | Mr.Ganja Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere in Texas
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| | Vi this is right out of Tom Delay's play book. It was deemed Illegal even by the Texas Supreme Court. Like I said, they just didn't do anything about it.
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08-22-2007, 03:50 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
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| | I'm not aruging your point, Dank. I'm only pointing out Ms Boxer's hipocrisy. She is so typical of the DemoRobbers. Vi
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08-22-2007, 08:54 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North of mexico and south of Canada
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| | Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd I'm not aruging your point, Dank. I'm only pointing out Ms Boxer's hipocrisy. She is so typical of the DemoRobbers. Vi | I think Ca.s gerrymandering was done long ago and Ms. Boxer had little to do with it.
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08-23-2007, 03:10 PM
|  | Super Stoner Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Socialist Republic of Kalifornia
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Originally Posted by medicineman I think Ca.s gerrymandering was done long ago and Ms. Boxer had little to do with it. | Med ... Why do you continue to make comments on subjects that you know nothing about? In California, each state legislator gets to redistrict his/her own district ... and that just about assures them of reelection. Boxer knows this. All the DemoRobbers in the state knows this. There is presently a move to pass legislation whereby an independent committee will redraw the districts and take this scam out of the hands of encumbent politicians. Vi
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08-23-2007, 03:18 PM
|  | Mr.Ganja Mr. Ganja | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere in Texas
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| | Vi I asked you once before not to disrespect the political parties.. At least don't do it in my threads
Call them Republicans and Democrats or Conservatives and Liberals. To do otherwise takes away from any legitimacy your argument may have.
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