I agree with we should not have to pay for everyones health care. But with the power of pooling money and how much it benefits everyone, we should be able to agree that that power of savings is the best way for everyone to be able to afford health care. Think about how much easier and cheaper it would be if instead of one smallish company trying to get good insurance, you had the buying power of a few hundred million people?

Where we differ is that I feel the people that benefit the greatest should be the ones that pay the most.

The problem is that the system we have already has us paying for 'them'. You paying for your people, and the medicare/aid. A overhaul of the entire system is needed. The basic needs should be the best for everyone, not just the people that can afford it or have a great job that understands the benefits of a healthy workforce.

And I mean basic needs, acne treatment should not be taken care of with the medicaid system (which it is now). But actual health care needs. Everything else should be at the expense of the people that want it.

You too! I got up at 6 so did everything I needed to, so have a couple hours to kill before I go out.

Best of luck with everything.

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Fuck Yeah! that is the truth, more people need to learn the facts and stop listening to Rush and Glen Beck

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That's not the real issue in this. You own a business and give your employees health care (which is awesome!) but how much have you seen your premiums go up over the past decade? I'm going to take a guess and say at least 100%? And it will continue to skyrocket, so you will either have to reduce the quality of the plan or forgo it all together to make it work financially for you. Small businesses are going to hugely benefit from reform and a Public Option. You need to look at how this will HELP you by reducing costs

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Any posts made by me are 100% fictional. I do not grow or condone the growing of anything illegal. All pictures I post are pictures widely available on the internet and any discussions I am involved in are hypothetical. Up with Hope, Down with Dope!

[QUOTE=macinnis;3041569]That's not the real issue in this. You own a business and give your employees health care (which is awesome!) but how much have you seen your premiums go up over the past decade? I'm going to take a guess and say at least 100%? And it will continue to skyrocket, so you will either have to reduce the quality of the plan or forgo it all together to make it work financially for you. Small businesses are going to hugely benefit from reform and a Public Option. You need to look at how this will HELP you by reducing costs[/QUOTE]
i dont want or need the governments help. Less government control is a good thing IMO

Yeah I am all for less governmental interventions. But when there are massive holes they need to be filled, and if the private sector won't well then the government should step up and fill it up, or at least set up a new system so that the private industry fills it.

You don't want the government help? I call bullshit. You don't need roads? Electricity grids? Internet? Education that is not via apprentiship or churches? Medicines?

The government has helped our country in many many ways. Some may have been done, but not nearly at the scale they are, because people don't want to pay for anything that they don't personally see the benefit for.

It is hard enough to get people to understand why they need a 401k, much less pay for a road in a city thousands of miles away.

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“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Einstein

The government is not supposed to redistribute wealth, period. This is a usurpation of our rights and has been happening long enough many people accept it as a given. They are wrong. The intent of our government was supposed to be to ensure all have equal access to protection of liberty and individual rights are protected. Nanny states ignore this simple concept and for all the "good" they propose doing, they rob you of individual choice. Simple logic insists, without choice there can be no freedom. Undeniably we are deep into nanny statism.

What YOU do with your life and where you end up should not be for the government to decide. Private business must by necessity be efficient or it fails. Government has no such efficiency restrictions, YOU are always there to be hijacked to ensure that the "revenue" flows. Much hijacking has occurred. How big will government get before it topples? Soon we will find out. The signs are everywhere.

We are not free and no embellishments of all the wonderful outcomes of certain programs can erase the fact that we are increasingly less able to make choices in our own lives. We do not own our property, our bodies or our labor. That is undeniable. I repeat, we are not free and never will be when choice no longer exists.

Provided Healthcare is NOT a right, it is a SERVICE or a good. Services and goods are something that others should not
be forced to provide for others. If that were so, I'd like somebody to bring me a cheeseburger...now. I have a right to get myself a cheeseburger, but no right to insist YOU or government provide it.

P.S. - I'd lie some fries too, hurry up I'm hungry!