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Old 08-18-2007, 02:44 PM
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I got to thinking...I am a Medical marijuana Patient in California, and because I have a love of plants and the space to grow, many owners of collectives are pushing me to grow. Both my wife and I are patients, and therefore allowed to grow up to 24 plants in total, each being allowed 6 flowering and 6 vegatative plants.
However, many people don't have this right, and under Federal law, neither do we. Because I am involved and growing under my California rights, I do a lot of reading on the politics and the struggle for legalization, but one of the things I've personally never heard argued is how marijuana prohibition causes international black markets over the border, and these Black markets are VERY suseptable to terrorist infultration. I mean, some security personell or dock workers might be bought off to turn their heads to smuggling, and therefore not watching when some anti-American extremist may sneak in amonst the contraban. By making something illegal, you seperate the system that ultimately WILL take up the demand, and are perhaps far less worried about car bombs going off at stadiums by crazed extremist.
If our government is so worried about protecting our borders, then you'd think they would ease off in order to join forces against a much larger evil. If people could grow marijuana openly in the states, the demand for imported drugs would be lowered and the venues for terrorists sneaking in would dwindle.
I understand that I am on a marijuana message board, so I am totally "preaching to the converted" here, but really...it makes NO sense that we should create laws that promote secrecy over our borders. Not only that, but if people were free to grow their own weed and kept any kind of distribution to just close friends, the jails would clear up, and us stoners would have more money to spend at Starbucks or Wal-Mart and support the economy...and not be so damn broke all the time.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:10 PM
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criminal activity often assorts itself with other criminal elements. maybe not really terrorism but criminality. it sucks, but it's just an attribute of our illegal trade that proponents use to justify their continuing War on Drugs. there is nothing inherently wrong or evil about black markets but certainly there is less regulation and more opportunity here for those with less than reputable characters and intentions to infultrate and thrive. if the govt. just let us grow it here, there'd be no organized crime behind it, crime not terrorism.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:29 PM
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The black market in pot sales is not immoral at all. Where ever you have a willing buyer and a willing seller with no coersion involved, that's called a free market. Free markets, where no one's rights are violated are moral. When government interfers for government's benefit, THAT'S immoral. And other than drug dealers, the main benefactor in the War on Drugs is the government. The largest lobbying group against Prop. 215 in California was the California Correctional Officer's Union. Government unions would be the largest voices in disapproval if ever a large movement started for the legalization of all drugs. The government bureaucrats depend upon these laws staying in place in order to maintain their jobs and power. Remember, above all else, government is power and nothing more.

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Old 08-18-2007, 07:51 PM
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UncleSunny, as long as your number remain in the California Legal Limits the Feds aren't going to do nothing. The State Can not turn your records over to the Feds either as the Government has screwed themselves when they enacted the HIPAA Law. The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act (HIPAA) has privacy provisions that forbids any Doctor's office, Hospital, Medical Professional or State or Federal agency from divulging what's in your medical records with out the patients permission.
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UncleSunny, as long as your number remain in the California Legal Limits the Feds aren't going to do nothing. The State Can not turn your records over to the Feds either as the Government has screwed themselves when they enacted the HIPAA Law. The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act (HIPAA) has privacy provisions that forbids any Doctor's office, Hospital, Medical Professional or State or Federal agency from divulging what's in your medical records with out the patients permission.
Come on Dank, you trust these criminals to play by the rules? They could just say an informant tipped them off, sowing mistrust among you and your friends. I used to be paranoid untill I realized it was true. They will do anything necessary to criminalize you if they want you.
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Med's right ...

There are no compassion clubs in my county. The city councils and the county supervisors won't issue the necessary business permits. The Sheriff, even though he has never attended medical school, continually speaks out as if HE is the one to administer dose amounts. I'm sure that if the DEA wanted to raid medical growers who are only growing for personal use, the Sheriff's Department would be leading the charge.

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Old 08-19-2007, 04:31 PM
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Med may be correct on this but if the Medical Records were obtained by raiding a Doctor's office or if they coheresed the State to turn over those record. The Records would be inadmissible in court. That is Federal law.
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I got to thinking...I am a Medical marijuana Patient in California, Both my wife and I are patients, and therefore allowed to grow up to 24 plants in total, each being allowed 6 flowering and 6 vegatative plants....I do a lot of reading on the politics and the struggle for legalization, but one of the things I've personally never heard argued is how marijuana prohibition causes international black markets over the border, and these Black markets are VERY suseptable to terrorist infultration....If our government is so worried about protecting our borders, then you'd think they would ease off in order to join forces against a much larger evil. If people could grow marijuana openly in the states, the demand for imported drugs would be lowered and the venues for terrorists sneaking in would dwindle.
Most of the main news sources are propaganda machines. I am far from conpiracy theory here. I am sure there are Islamic fundamentalist groups involved in illegal cannabis trade, but I really doubt it works as they would like you to believe. My guess is that most of the people invloved in the black market of cannabis are like us( u know, nice normal folk.)

Federal still rules over state... lost the appeal in the link below.
The truth. As an American you are doing your duty standng up for rights. Federal should not over turn state laws of this nature. Where is the primice? That is why they use the good ol catch 22 scare tactic, i.e, u r supporting terror. They have found two cannibinoid receptors in our brain that we use. This could be just the tip of the kola. Think of the advances we could make...Hey I got an idea let's take a good ol' vote..put a choice in the election..relegalize or not, bet i can guess who would win.


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Let's face facts, The Feds aren't really interested unless you are growing large quantities of plants. If you are in compliance with the State Medical marijuana laws, you don't have much to worry about.
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Let's face facts, The Feds aren't really interested unless you are growing large quantities of plants. If you are in compliance with the State Medical marijuana laws, you don't have much to worry about.
Then why are they raiding compassion clubs throughout Kalifornia?

I agree with you Dank ... if a legal med user is growing a small amount in their home, they have NOTHING to worry about from the feds.

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