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Old 08-17-2007, 11:41 AM
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No just rotton .... In order to make Alcohol from Sugar you need yeast..
Yes each house has wild yeast floating in the air, you would have to expose the Juices to the yeast.

watermelon wine... hmmm...








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Old 08-17-2007, 11:54 AM
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I've had watermelon wine, tastey.
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I rough necked for 2 years and I worked in a Phillips refinery for 1 1/2 years in Skellytown Texas (which at the time was a Coking plant) then I worked at the Phillips Plant in Borger Texas for another year.

The octane rating is a measure of the autoignition resistance of gasoline and other fuels used in spark-ignition internal combustion engines. It is a measure of anti-detonation of a gasoline or fuel.

Octane number is the number which gives the percentage, by volume, of iso-octane in a mixture of iso-octane and normal heptane, that would have the same anti-knocking capacity as the fuel which is under consideration. For example, gasoline with the same knocking characteristics as a mixture of 90% iso-octane and 10% heptane would have an octane rating of 90.

Now Catalist cracking is achived by this method:

Modern cracking uses zeolites as the catalyst. These are complex aluminosilicates, and are large lattices of aluminium, silicon and oxygen atoms carrying a negative charge. They are, of course, associated with positive ions such as sodium ions. You may have come across a zeolite if you know about ion exchange resins used in water softeners.

The alkane is brought into contact with the catalyst at a temperature of about 932°F and moderately low pressures.

The zeolites used in catalytic cracking are chosen to give high percentages of hydrocarbons with between 5 and 10 carbon atoms - particularly useful for petrol (gasoline). It also produces high proportions of branched alkanes and aromatic hydrocarbons like benzene.

Thermal cracking:
In thermal cracking, high temperatures (typically in the range of 842°F to 1382°F) and pressures (up to about 70 atmospheres) are used to break the large hydrocarbons into smaller ones. Thermal cracking gives mixtures of products containing high proportions of hydrocarbons with double bonds - alkenes.
Thermal cracking doesn't go via ionic intermediates like catalytic cracking. Instead, carbon-carbon bonds are broken so that each carbon atom ends up with a single electron. In other words, free radicals are formed.

During the Refining process you will also seperate methane (1 carbon atom), ethane (2 carbon atom),propane (3 carbon atoms ), butane (4 carbon atoms), pentane (5 carbon atoms), hexane (6 carbon atoms), heptane (7 carbon atoms), octane (8 carbon atoms), nonane (9 carbon atoms), decane (10 carbon atoms).

The atoms in alkanes with more than three carbon atoms can be arranged in many ways, leading to a large number of potential different configurations (isomers). So-called "normal" alkanes have a linear, unbranched configuration, but the n- isomer of any given alkane is only one of potentially hundreds or even possibly millions of configurations for that number of carbon and hydrogen atoms in some sort of chain arrangement.

I hate to tell you this, but your not the only one here that has a bit of a background in organic chemistry. I did a lot more than turnarounds in the refinery..

Now I do not believe that we are headed the right direction when we start using Ethanol as a fuel. I believe that Biodiesel is more of a step in the right direction.
It's easy to manufacture and you bet a lot more bang for your buck with it.
While we do agree {as far as I can tell} on ethanol and biodiesel, tell me what you think of methyl alochol?

Also your cut and paste only gives proof of you knowing how to look things up.

If as you say have a background in organic chemistry, then tell us of carbon bonds.
What makes carbon bonds so special?

The truth is you have yet to show me that you have true knowledge in this area.
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Concrete traps heat 7x..... but most don't think of that.
Concrete dosn't trap heat.....

Although it does absorb a lot [because of its mass} and heat moves through it at rate of about 1 foot per 24 hours.
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I see no problem with it as it has been used (Mixed with Nitroglycerin) in drag racing for decades. The only problem i see with it is that it doesn't produce the raw power that gasoline does. I beleive that Gasoline produces something like 20,000 BTUs per pound. where as methyl alcohol is somewhere around 10,200 BTUs per pound and ethyl alcohol produces around 12,550 BTUs per pound. Soy Bean based Biodiesel on the other hand produces around 52,000 BTUs per pound.
A carbon bond is a covalent bond between two carbon atoms.
Carbon is the base for all life forms on earth.
Do we have to keep going with High School chemistry?
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Concrete dosn't trap heat.....

Although it does absorb a lot [because of its mass} and heat moves through it at rate of about 1 foot per 24 hours.
Splitting hairs now are we??? Concrete holds heat for long periods of time (thus trapping).
Think about that same concrete on a 100+° day. as night falls does this heat go away? NO. it lessens a little but that same concrete will still be holding the heat the very next day.
Now think of a whole bunch of 100+° days in a row, say a week or a month... How long does it take for that heat to reach the tanks?
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Not completely correct.
The Concrete heats the soil, the soil heats the tank. It doesn't heat it to the extent that it becomes volatile. But enough that there is going to be expansion. Then you have to take into account that it picks up heat from going through the plumbing (friction) and the hose into your tank (radiant heat).
There are a lot of things that are not being taken into account here.
First gas doesn't become volatile. it is volatile, this state is not changeable.
For your info volatile means it evaporates very easily.

As far heat from friction that is negligible.

Heat transfer from the hose would be from conduction, not from radiation.

Heat moves 3 ways conduction, radiation and convection.

As I said before heat always wants to move up.
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You forgot the forth, Friction (although intentionally for gotten)..... Friction produces heat... and yes there is friction in liquid transfer.
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You forgot the forth, Friction (although intentionally for gotten)..... Friction produces heat... and yes there is friction in liquid transfer.
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