Subprime or Subcrime? Time To Investigate and Prosecute

Dankdude

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By Danny Schechter, MediaChannel.org. Posted August 10, 2007.

The "subprime" credit crunch is really a sub-crime ponzi scheme in which millions of people are losing their homes because of criminal tactics by financial institutions.

There comes a time when the frame of a news story changes. It happened in Iraq when the "war for Iraqi freedom" became seen as a bloody occupation, not a beneficent liberation. It is happening as the war on terror is increasingly perceived a war of error and when voting problems are reframed as electoral fraud.

And it will happen in the economic arena too, when we see the "subprime" credit crunch for what it is: a sub-crime ponzi scheme in which millions of people are losing their homes because of criminal and fraudulent tactics used by financial institutions that pose as respectable players in a highly rigged casino-like market system.

Suddenly, after years of denial and inattention, the press has discovered hat they call "the credit crisis." Vague words like "woes" are still being used to mask a financial calamity that some analysts are already calling an apocalypse as lenders go under and the Stock Market melts down.

A French bank froze bilions Thursday saying, ""The complete evaporation of liquidity in certain market segments of the U.S. securitization market has made it impossible to value certain assets." Translation from the French: We are all in deep shit.

On Thursday morning, President Bush was asked about this at a press conference. He blamed borrowers for not understanding the documents they signed. But if you have ever tried to read the documents banks prepare for mortgage closings, you will know that they are written by risk-minimizing lawyers and are too long and dense to be understood. (Later in the day, the market reacted to Bush's upbeat assessment with the Dow plunging 387 points.)

The financial insiders who watched were more than skeptical. Here are some quotes from a discussion on the Mi-implode website. One of the discussants calls our fearless leader, "President Pumpkinhead:"

Why'd president pumpkinhead have a news
conference in the morning? Probably hoping no one
would see it and he wouldn't have to lie to as
many people.​

Another described what he was watching with more than disbelief:

"He's being hit with a lot of questions on mortgages,
credit crisis, and the economy ... and of course the economy
is 'in for a soft landing,' he's been assured by the treasury
that 'there is plenty of liquidity,' yadda-yadda-yadda.

But he is stumbling over his words more then usual,
not making eye contact, not finishing his sentences
... and when he wonders a bit, he quickly goes back
on script. It is very odd to watch, to say the least."​

"Odd?" Not for him, but, of course, there more than one man to hold accountable. This is a deeper structural problem that implicates a whole industry and the process of "financialization" it promotes. This crisis is an example of what goes around comes around as the companies that suspended their usual "standards" and "rules" and self-styled "due diligence" knowingly sucked money out of people with poor credit records and who now find their own companies imploding and collapsing worldwide. Many of the victims are people of color. They were targeted by predators.

Underscore that this was done deliberately, with forethought and malice, a well orchestrated plan to create armies of "suckers" and steal -- yes, I said it -- their monies to leverage even bigger deals. Their greed had no limits, until the scheme collapsed.

Behind it all were the so-called "Masters of the Universe," the wise men of Wall Street who worked behind the scenes to turn mortgage brokers and small lenders into part of what will one day be seen as a criminal network worthy of prosecution under the RICO conspiracy laws used against the mob and drug dealers. Read this account from the Wall Street Journal:

Lou Barnes, co-owner of a small Colorado
mortgage bank called Boulder West Inc., has been
in the mortgage business since the late 1970s. For
most of that time, a borrower had to fully document
his income. Lenders offered the first no-documentation
loans in the mid-1990s, but for no more than 70% of
the value of the house being purchased. A few years
back, he says, that began to change as Wall Street
investment banks and wholesalers demanded ever more
mortgages from even the least creditworthy -- or "subprime"
-- customers.
"All of us felt the suction from Wall Street. One day you
would get an email saying, 'We will buy no-doc loans at
95% loan-to-value,' and an old-timer like me had never
seen one," says Mr. Barnes. "It wasn't long before the
no-doc emails said 100%."​

You don't read many accounts like this of businessmen bashing Wall Street in the business press. Could it all have been stopped? Of course, if there were real regulators and rules protecting consumers and the public interest. And if there were a social movement that championed economic justice.

And also, if there were investigative journalists like the ones who just wrote a series on the "debacle" of the "debt bomb" in the Journal -- but after the collapse, not before. And what do they admit now? That this is not just a subprime problem but far more serious and global.

They note that "credit problems once seen as isolated to a few subprime mortgage lenders are beginning to propagate across markets and borders in unpredicted ways and degrees. A system designed to distribute and absorb risk might, instead, have bred it by making it so easy for investors to buy complex securities they didn't fully understand. And the interconnectedness of markets could mean that a sudden change in sentiment by investors in all sorts of markets could destabilize the financial system and hurt economic growth."

Will the rest of the media follow up and explain what is really going on?

This is very serious, but far too many progressives, activists and politicians alike haven't spoken out about the crime behind this rolling scandal. We should be calling for major debt reform in America like Bono advocates for Africa. We should demand criminal penalties for the profiteers who started out to enrich themselves and seem to have ended up destroying the very system they misused. We should press the Congress to use its subpoena power to investigate the corporate criminals and their government enablers.

When they propose a bailout, we should demand a "jailout." The Washington Post reports that the US has started a bailout "pumping more than $150 billion into the financial system to keep it operating smoothly." Where is this money coming from? Not from the military budget you can be sure.

Blogger Carolyn Baker writes that we all must become more engaged with these issues saying she is "aware of the role of economic issues -- perhaps more than militarism, health care, education, politics, or any other institution, in the dead-ahead demise of empire.

"I also notice that few in the left-liberal end of the political spectrum have a firm grasp on economic issues which I suspect comes from a fundamental polarization between activism and financial intelligence," she writes.

Reviewing conservative author Michael Panzer's book, Financial Armageddon, she criticizes his analysis as limited, and by extension, the left's avoidance of these issues as well.

"What is most disturbing to me," she writes, "about the book is what appears to be a total lack of perception regarding the role of fraud, theft, and malicious intent in the American and global financial train wreck which has been exacerbating over recent decades."

Indeed! What are we going to do about this? How about starting with becoming more aware?
 

ViRedd

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9-11 was putting the economy in the tank. The Federal Reserve started lowering interest rates ... and kept on lowering them. Mortgage rates eventually hit 4.5% for a 30-year-fixed. That brought millions of first-time buyers into the market. With the huge demand that caused, prices started to soar ... and soared past the moon. The whole thing was artificial ... a pipe dream. Then the Fed started raising the rates. As a result, the housing boom is over and we are experiencing deflation in housing. Those buyers who were the last ones into the game are the ones who are losing.

Want someone to blame? Blame the Federal Reserve's mismanagement of monetary policy.

Vi
 

Plato Is Boring

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I suppose instead of lowering the ffr you would've had them do what? Should they have raised them at that point? I suppose they should've been really focusing on the housing market, when they have those little things like unemployment and economic expansion to consider. You sure don't mind telling us how great of a job Bush did with the Fed's economy (oh, it is) in the wake of September 11th.
 

ViRedd

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I suppose instead of lowering the ffr you would've had them do what? Should they have raised them at that point? I suppose they should've been really focusing on the housing market, when they have those little things like unemployment and economic expansion to consider. You sure don't mind telling us how great of a job Bush did with the Fed's economy (oh, it is) in the wake of September 11th.
Plato ...

Tell me if this is incorrect: When the Fed lowers or raises their rates, it has a delayed effect on the mortgage market. The Fed was looking for instant gratification and kept lowering and lowering the rates ... I believe it was 14 times. When it finally took effect, the senerio I painted took effect ... and because of artifically low interest rates, demand for housing went through the roof. Then the fed kept raising the rates to cool off the economy and inflation in the housing market ... and here we are today.

Correct or incorrect?

Vi
 

Wavels

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Wow, borrowers given access to easier money cannot make their payments as agreed upon.
Yup, it is all the fault of those bamboozling, evil lenders!
Why should the borrower bear any responsibility whatsoever?
These poor hapless victims never read their contracts or understood them; of course it can't be their fault!
:mrgreen:
 

7xstall

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Wow, borrowers given access to easier money cannot make their payments as agreed upon.
Yup, it is all the fault of those bamboozling, evil lenders!
Why should the borrower bear any responsibility whatsoever?
These poor hapless victims never read their contracts or understood them; of course it can't be their fault!
:mrgreen:
couldn't have said it better myself!!





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medicineman

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couldn't have said it better myself!!





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Here's the real crime. The Housing speculators (Read real estate agents) artificially bumped the price of houses up so their commissions would be larger, IE 3% of 600K is more then 3% of 300K. My house that I did absolutely nothing to except a paint job and a new roof and a few maintenance projects, trippled in price in 5 years once the California Real estate speculators moved in to Vegas and drove the prices up. People like VI will tell you it was the low interest rates that made prices go up, Bullshit, it was the agents that told their clients to list their homes for 20K more than the last one sold then told the buyers they were getting a bargain while sitting on a few houses they bought for cheap, crooks to the bone. What is sad, is the ones that bought in last. A friend in the Air force bought in last year in central Ca. for 450K, that house is now not sellable @ 300K and his payment keeps going up. I'm sure he is going to lose it. Granted the loan speculators added fuel to the fire, but everyone wants to be part of the American dream, and they aren't all lawyers when it comes to reading contracts.
 

Wavels

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Med, the sellers would have realized a portion of the "inflated" price as well as the agent.
Seems like a "win win" to me.
Ever heard of caveat emptor?
Just because PT Barnum was correct, this does not call for the Government to save people from themselves?
Or does it?
Mary Poppins anyone?
 

medicineman

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Med, the sellers would have realized a portion of the "inflated" price as well as the agent.
Seems like a "win win" to me.
Ever heard of caveat emptor?
Just because PT Barnum was correct, this does not call for the Government to save people from themselves?
Or does it?
Mary Poppins anyone?
The housing market was artificially inflated by unscrupulous real estate agents for their benefit. They blame it on low interest loans (BS). Now the average worker can't afford to buy a house.
My son lives in CA. He has a degree in economics and makes 50K a year. He doesn't qualify to buy a 400K shitbox house because the asshole real estate agents have inflated the prices beyond the average workers qualifying range, all to line their pockets. Any young person starting out in CA. today that doesn't have 100-200K to invest in a house is SOL.
My reasoning says the price of homes must come down or no young people will ever realize the American dream. I owned 4 houses before I was 30. I could qualify to buy them on union wages. If I had to buy my house now, I couldn't afford it. Thanks to real estate speculators and crooked agents. Are you listening VI?
 

Plato Is Boring

Well-Known Member
Plato ...

Tell me if this is incorrect: When the Fed lowers or raises their rates, it has a delayed effect on the mortgage market. The Fed was looking for instant gratification and kept lowering and lowering the rates ... I believe it was 14 times. When it finally took effect, the senerio I painted took effect ... and because of artifically low interest rates, demand for housing went through the roof. Then the fed kept raising the rates to cool off the economy and inflation in the housing market ... and here we are today.

Correct or incorrect?

Vi
When they lower or raise the ffr it has an effect on all facets of the economy. But if you're going to contend that after 9/11, The Fed should have put into place contractionary policies (raise the ffr - interest rates rise - unemployment rises - growth slows) you're going to find few who agree with you (not here, but everywhere). A very limited understanding of SRAS and LRAS models would tell you that the market was out of equilibrium and if they sat on their hands it would've been disasterous to the economy. I'm not contending that it didn't have a negative effect in some sectors, but overall, the big picture was great. The Fed didn't "mess up," they saved our ass from a recession. :joint::peace:
 

ViRedd

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When they lower or raise the ffr it has an effect on all facets of the economy. But if you're going to contend that after 9/11, The Fed should have put into place contractionary policies (raise the ffr - interest rates rise - unemployment rises - growth slows) you're going to find few who agree with you (not here, but everywhere). A very limited understanding of SRAS and LRAS models would tell you that the market was out of equilibrium and if they sat on their hands it would've been disasterous to the economy. I'm not contending that it didn't have a negative effect in some sectors, but overall, the big picture was great. The Fed didn't "mess up," they saved our ass from a recession. :joint::peace:
I agree, Plato ... and that's what the Fed does. The Fed is an inflation machine. They manipulate the money/credit supply in order to have an effect on the economy. All I'm saying is, after 9-11 they kept lowering the rates, not taking into account the delayed reaction those rate changes have ... and the rates went too low. Down to 4.5% fixed in some cases. This allowed very marginal first time buyers to buy property. There was so much easy money, thanks to the Fed, that mortgage brokers used a mirror to qualify a lot of those buyers ... Like, "here, breathe on this mirror and if it fogs up, you qualify for the loan." Now the pigeons are coming home to roost.

Med ...

You said this:

"A friend in the Air force bought in last year in central Ca. for 450K, that house is now not sellable @ 300K and his payment keeps going up. I'm sure he is going to lose it."

I have a question for you: If the "greedy, asshole Realtors" drove the prices up to $450,000 and bamboozled your friend into buying it, did those same "greedy, asshole Realtors" drive the price down to $300,000 as well?

Vi



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medicineman

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I agree, Plato ... and that's what the Fed does. The Fed is an inflation machine. They manipulate the money/credit supply in order to have an effect on the economy. All I'm saying is, after 9-11 they kept lowering the rates, not taking into account the delayed reaction those rate changes have ... and the rates went too low. Down to 4.5% fixed in some cases. This allowed very marginal first time buyers to buy property. There was so much easy money, thanks to the Fed, that mortgage brokers used a mirror to qualify a lot of those buyers ... Like, "here, breathe on this mirror and if it fogs up, you qualify for the loan." Now the pigeons are coming home to roost.

Med ...

You said this:

"A friend in the Air force bought in last year in central Ca. for 450K, that house is now not sellable @ 300K and his payment keeps going up. I'm sure he is going to lose it."

I have a question for you: If the "greedy, asshole Realtors" drove the prices up to $450,000 and bamboozled your friend into buying it, did those same "greedy, asshole Realtors" drive the price down to $300,000 as well?

Vi



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No, Reality set in and when there were no more people that could fanigle a loan (through a combination of creative financing and creative selling by the crooked realtors) IE no-one could qualify for 450,000 shitbox houses because the appraisers finally got a conscience and deflated those rattraps. Now along comes bloodsucker realtors (remind you of anyone) to save the homeowner from bankruptcy with a creative bailout conjured up by crooked third parties and charge a 3-6% commission, all to the dumb ass victim, the homeowner, and some new speculator gets a 450,000 house for 300,000 and sells it for 350,000 and the bloodsucking realtor gets another 3-6%. Sounds like the bloodsucking realtor is the one making out in this deal. A Very creative way to fuck people, I'd say. Say, do you know anyone doing this? ~LOL~~~BTW Bush has approved bailing out the lenders, but said fuck the homeowners, they are at the mercy of all these crooks.
 

ViRedd

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No, Reality set in and when there were no more people that could fanigle a loan (through a combination of creative financing and creative selling by the crooked realtors) IE no-one could qualify for 450,000 shitbox houses because the appraisers finally got a conscience and deflated those rattraps. Now along comes bloodsucker realtors (remind you of anyone) to save the homeowner from bankruptcy with a creative bailout conjured up by crooked third parties and charge a 3-6% commission, all to the dumb ass victim, the homeowner, and some new speculator gets a 450,000 house for 300,000 and sells it for 350,000 and the bloodsucking realtor gets another 3-6%. Sounds like the bloodsucking realtor is the one making out in this deal. A Very creative way to fuck people, I'd say. Say, do you know anyone doing this? ~LOL~~~BTW Bush has approved bailing out the lenders, but said fuck the homeowners, they are at the mercy of all these crooks.
So, if the speculator gets the house for $300,000 and sells it for $350,000, why didn't your Air Force friend sell it for $350,000? I mean, wouldn't the "greedy Realtor" prefer the "bloodsucking" 6% commission on 350K over the "bloodsucking" 6% commission on $300,000?

And, are you saying that the "Bloodsucking" Realtors, by some magic formula, have the power to drive prices up, but lack those same powers to drive prices down?

As far as Bush bailing the lenders out and "fucking the homeowners" ... have you heard of "short pays?

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Nope we will be heading into a ressesion right now... But you won't admit it even when it's happening.
 

medicineman

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As far as Bush bailing the lenders out and "fucking the homeowners" ... have you heard of "short pays?
Nope, not an economist, but you really didn't refute any of my post now did you? I've heard of "short dicks", although I've never been afflicted,~LOL~. In answer to your "why didn't the homeowner sell to the speculator", Because it is a rigged deal from the gates. the realtor and the speculators are in cahoots, in fact, they may be one and the same.
 

ViRedd

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~lol~ ... Its amazing how the ultra-right sees a conspiracy behind every bush and the ultra-left sees a Bush behind every conspiracy.

Med ...

You are clueless.

Please explain how Realtors drive prices up in order to get higher commissions ... and then drive prices down, for what reason ... to get LOWER commissions? ~lol~

Vi

Vi
 

medicineman

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~lol~ ... Its amazing how the ultra-right sees a conspiracy behind every bush and the ultra-left sees a Bush behind every conspiracy.

Med ...

You are clueless.

Please explain how Realtors drive prices up in order to get higher commissions ... and then drive prices down, for what reason ... to get LOWER commissions? ~lol~

Vi

Vi
1. drove them up by speculating and interselling. IE speculators and realtors would go into an area and buy all the houses they could for the going price, then sell a couple to eachother at highly inflated prices and use those prices for comps so that every house in the area would rise in value.
2. House flippers in cahoots with realtors did the same thing.
3. With housing prices going through the roof, many unsuspecting homeowners took advantage of the equity and took out seconds for investment purposes and home improvements, leaving them vulnerable to decreasing home values.
4 Various and assundrious other devious means were used by realtors to raise the prices by telling the sellor his house was worth more than it was and telling the buyer that this was a good deal.
As for the fall of the housing market: once the appraisers (that had to be in on the scam) got a conscience, or in cahoots with speculators started deflating house values, speculators (now rich with all the excess profits weaseled from the home buyers) now are in a buying phase to have the whole process start all over again. You and I (taxpayers) will bail out the Banks and all the criminals in the real estate business will skate with big money. Typical right wing criminal behavior reminiscent of the S&L scandals in the 80s. I don't have all the particulars, this is just an overview, but if it walks like a scam, talks like a scam, and smells like a scam, it must be a scam.
 

krime13

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Recently I have heard of some realtors going into crack infested ghettos and buying houses as low as 2000$ , hyiring contractors to repair 10 houses at a time and pouting a gate around them , than selling them for $ 300000 and up...Now I am no genious but I am pretty sure that the crack dealer, realtor and contractor are one and the same...
 

7xstall

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Recently I have heard of some realtors going into crack infested ghettos and buying houses as low as 2000$ , hyiring contractors to repair 10 houses at a time and pouting a gate around them , than selling them for $ 300000 and up...Now I am no genious but I am pretty sure that the crack dealer, realtor and contractor are one and the same...
please tell me where this market is!! i want to retire tomorrow. :)






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