.That will never happen as long as you have politicians running our government. They are basically lying coniving scumbags for the most part with a bundle of their own secrets tagging along behind them, sexual deviants, recipients of bribes, they are the epitomy of what is wrong with this country. Find me an honest politician and I'll show you a loser. Cynicism is my game, calling foul is my fame.

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the politicians didn't use to be politicians, they were public servants who sacrificed in order to serve. now, we sacrifice so that they may serve themselves.

we can take this country back but some people are going to have to swallow a lot of pride.





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"But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."

- Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, Hero to the servants of big government, Racist War Monger

Very profound ... and well said.

Vi

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So where did they go wrong. My contention is they were scumbags from the moment they took public posts. These people mostly came from priveledge and were used to getting their way, they were assholes from the gates, spoiled fucking brats with priveledged parents to hype them along. I don't remember any poor dudes, except one from High school, that ever got into politics, and he was the class president and a very popular guy. He got help from our history teacher that later was the governor of the great state of Nevada, Mike O'Callahan, I'm talking about Harry Reid, class of '57' Basic high school, Henderson Nev. My Alma mater

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I'd say they didn't go wrong, Med. The people did. We get the government we deserve. The downfall began just as soon as we the people woke up to the fact that we could vote ourselves perks given by the federal government at the expense of someone else. That's pretty much what I've been posting about the entire time I've been visiting this site.

Vi

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Vi, Please explain how the Republicans would do any better.... They had 12 years to prove themselves... They did, they proved themselves unworthy.

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The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn

[This disagreement with Dr. Paul trumps all others and is why Paul will not be Commander in Chief.]

Dr. Paul won't be Commander in Chief because he doesn't have the constituency to get the nomination. Politics today is not about how well candidates are going to perform in their position but more like a popularity contest. Dr. Paul isn't popular enough. He's pretty cool. Libertarianism is pretty cool too. Penn & Teller are funny too. The trio are just kinda cool, not the starting quarterback running for Student Class President.

Campaigns, Elections, Party Politics (mostly apathy) are all massive problems that need to be discussed at these presidential nomination debates. if romney is voted in, i'll be graduating the following December...so I might travel.

[When it comes down to the nitty-gritty, conservatives and libertarians have often divergent and incompatible perspectives on the Constitution. For the libertarian, the government that governs best is the one that governs least. For the conservative (and by “conservative” I always mean “constitutional conservative”), the government that governs best is not necessarily the one that governs least, but the one that governs according to the letter of the Constitution.

The strange fact of the matter is that libertarians are becoming increasingly dissimilar to conservatives across a whole range of issues, and increasingly similar to liberals.]

This article seems to be an odd mix of discussing the differences between political philosophies set against ron paul's positioning along the spectrum. Libertarianism versus conservatism versus liberalism: none versus little versus lots of govt; intervention/regulation/activity.

The way i sees it, in a hospital, liberals want to actively save everyone, no matter what. conservatives establish the means for all folks to be saved but they only help when asked. libertarians perform surgery on themselves.

They won't do any better, Dank ... until they return to their true conservative roots.

Vi

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A conservative approach isn't always best.

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The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. United State Constitution, Art. I Sec. 9 Par. 2

"Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism" -- Howard Zinn

"In our federal system, all other rights and responsibilities are left to the discretion of individuals and the states (the 9th and 10th Amendments). Federalism, then, is the hallmark of constitutionally limited government in our system. Under such a system, the federal government should actually be strong where it has a constitutional mandate to govern (contra libertarianism); this same strong government should be nonexistent where no constitutional mandate exists (contra liberalism). "

The problem here is that Vi conflates strong government with a government that must have an active presence everywhere. More intelligence collecting would mean a larger temptation to intervene on the part of CIA. Global hegemony is impossible, period. The US simply cannot dump more money into maintaining and empire and analyzing every event in every country to calculate possible American advantage through sabotage, and that is precisely what is happening. Kennedy wanted to shut down CIA because they went ahead without him at the Bay of Pigs, thinking that he would be forced to invade to protect them. He was, of course, killed.

CIA intervention in the middle east and all over the world has been more interested in increasing its own power by blackmailing the government with a disaster. It's responsibility, as I was reading from a critic of the CIA the other day, is to stir up trouble so that the US has someone to fight and the military-industrial complex will continue. The rate of false-flag operations to sabotage leftists politically wanting to nationalize resources and keep US companies from effectively robbing the native population is astounding, and I don't see the logic in expanding that sort of an organization. They are not a group of analysts. They are drug runners, gun smugglers and murderers. They live and operate in a world without morals or responsibility.

The CIA starts trouble by making dirty deals with shifty people to turn a quick buck and to support another shifty group somewhere else. A group screwed over by the CIA strikes back at American interests, or threatens to out the American higher-ups (like George Bush) for their role in secret CIA operations, and they are taken out. This has been standard for the last sixty years. The government, and the people at large, must pay a pretty regular price for CIA "protection."

Vi is right here: you can't do completely without it. I just wouldn't be flushing more money down the toilet so that we can start with lives right afterwards. That makes little sense to me.

The history of the CIA makes me view Vi 's interpretation as historically naive. He has conflated CIA interest with government interest, and national interest with both of them. If there is a difference between spending money and spending it well, then Vi should recognize fraud and abuse and stop telling everybody the world is going to be killed by the newest enemies of American entanglement if we don't further bolster their status in the region by attacking them. That sort of thinking will mean the death of many more Americans for the evil business cycle of death this "necessary" agency stands behind.

No more black op wars, period. No more secret funding (Saying we spent 15 billion last year doesn't help the terrorists, just to hide abuse). No more assassinations. No more keeping drugs illegal in this country to inflate the profit that can be obtained illegally on the black market to buy guns and fund psychopaths that will kill their country's democratic institutions. I don't care if that's a libertarian position or not; the alternative is lunacy and won't make you safer but for a year or so.

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--Huston Smith, "Do Drugs Have Religious Import?"

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