1. Why would you jump on someone that comes on the site thinking one way and asks a question. And is willing to actually listen to both the sides of the debate and formulate his own opinion, even (especially) when it was the opposite side of the argument he was making? Especially for something that was not even part of the original discussion really, just a small remark? We need more people willing to try to educate themselves, even if they come to a blog site that will almost always give a seriously biased and uneducated opinion!

Well hmm.....

2. Sounds like a fun class. And I was about to give you crap for douching on doctorates! I would have received the proverbial bitch-slap for that.

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“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Einstein

The USA Government is in no way special aside from being one of the most religiously influenced , badly run and corrupted government to stand thoroughly for long in the western world.

The USA now faces billion dollar debts from China and Europe , a healthcare system and public education that rivals 3rd world countries and a steady decline in their interest.

Although i believe in capitalistic welfare or evolving liberal socialism - i think the USA will have to do something much more drastic than a president change...

I await the day when 20% of the nations population ,- Atheist gets to influence your constitution.

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What, you didn't see the after my statement? I've got nothing but love for the Ph.D's. I hear they are the best kind of people around.

Well if you say so but acording to the socialist party you are wrong and youd think THEY would know....lol

Taken from www.socialistparty.org.uk:

Are there any socialist countries in Europe?

Sometimes countries have governments that call themselves 'Socialist,' but they do not carry out genuine socialist policies.
For instance, in the past the Labour Party in Britain was often labeled "socialist". When the Labour Party was in government, people sometimes used to say "We have a socialist government," and even that Britain was socialist.
But this was not true. Labour governments did not go beyond the boundaries of capitalism. The country remained capitalist.
In Spain and in France, and elsewhere around the world there are parties that go by the name of 'Socialist' and they have been elected into government.
When the French Socialist Party was in government, it was called a 'Socialist government', and we were told France had 'gone socialist.' This was not true.
When the Spanish Socialist Party was returned to power in 2004, (because of its opposition to the invasion of Iraq,) it did not and will not bring about a socialist society.
In Germany and other countries, parties going by the name 'Social Democratic' were sometimes referred to as socialist.
But this was not true either.
These countries remained capitalist through and through.

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"If you wanna win, CHEAT! If you lose, start a FIGHT!" - very wise man

LOL, by your definition of “socialism” you are already living in a socialist country. We have a “socialist” military, education system, highway system, fire departments, etc. We “spread the wealth” every time a road is built, a fire is put out, or an airliner takes off. It’s these “socialistic” programs that made America the first country where the majority of its citizens live in relative comfort.

Right-wingers cry “socialism” in a mindless effort to denounce any progression because it’s so easy to do. Anybody who calls Obama’s health plan “socialism” either doesn’t know what “socialism” is or is banking on their listener’s ignorance.

If you listen to too much Limbaugh or watch too much Fox you would think we are moving towards a single-payer system where the government provides free heath care and everyone’s on the same plan. Sounds good to me, but unfortunately that’s not what we’re talking about.

Basically, Obama’s plan is designed to make sure MORE people can buy PRIVATE insurance by limiting what PRIVATE insurance companies can dump you for. There is also the possibility that we will be able to buy PUBLICALLY-owned insurance, which of course the Republicans don’t like. Essentially, the Republicans are trying to rob us of a choice in our health care plans. Ask yourself this: is having more choices in your health care bad, and if so for whom? Who are the Republicans protecting, you or their campaign contributors?

As far as "Id rather pay to help other people than get good healthcare myself and other people get none at all," this is a misleading statement as well, and I would have to question your motives for including it. Unless you’re wealthy, are you REALLY happy that your level of healthcare is dependent on how much you make? Do you REALLY think that we won’t pay trillions of dollars for healthcare under the current system over your lifetime? Do you REALLY think that people without insurance are going to die instead of going to the emergency room? Are you REALLY happy that you can afford good healthcare and the poor, pampered good-for-nothings can’t?

The Constitution says “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” It’s this “general welfare” clause that allows the government to provide for the basic needs of its citizens: health, security, education, etc. It’s the social programs developed under this clause: social security, welfare, etc., that allowed the United States to reduce the number of citizens living in poverty from over 30% in 1950 to 10% today, and build the largest middle-class in the world. And I, for one, am OK with that. If anything brings down this country, it will be class warfare.

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That is actually what scares me today.

People are getting whipped up by big businesses (control the media/internet) to hate this guy or that guy and don't really have to use any facts other than blogs that they themselves had setup.

What happens when you get a horde of people that are disfranchised (look no further than the conspiracy threads on this board) is that they elect a loon that says everything that they want to hear.

And it is funny because at this point they are thinking that is what happened with Obama, but it is the people that come next. The people that come from the nut factory that scare me. Obama is nothing more than a left leaning moderate. Alex Jones in office could really make a mess.

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“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Einstein

I don't believe a country is either socialism or not, and I may have seemed to be making that point because I was in somewhat of a heated debate with a close friend of mine. I understand that every government can have aspects of socialism and aspects of capitalism at the same time.

I have absolutely no health care, and Ive spent $400 on doctor bills in the past 3 weeks (strep, mono, broncitis, and a sinus infection :/) so its not about me being able to afford healthcare and thinking I'm better than others.

I had been reading a lot about this healthcare bill and watching videos, appearantly posted by biased people, that said the healthcare bill, if passed, will force all citizens to be on the government healthcare plan.

The "Id rather help other people..." was just to show how the discussion went. Thanks for your input. I grew up extremely poor and had no intention of sounding like I was better than anyone who cant afford healthcare, so if I did, I apologize.

Sorry, I was attacking the right-wing misrepresentations (lies) in general, not you. Well, maybe I was attacking you a little bit

As far as Socialist countries failing, well, there haven't really been any. And every democracy has eventually failed as well.

Press on, + rep for listening to my rants so cordially, and have a great day/night!

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Alex Jones would NOT be a good president. He's good at opening eyes and making people question things, but that's about it. He get's too extreme and fanatical now days.

We need someone in office who knows the constitution 110%. Someone who understands all forms of government and why they fail. Someone who is cool, calm, collected, and very wise. Ron Paul is a good choice, but there are other people in this country like him. This Obama character... lol. Where the hell did this guy come from? Does he even know what the consitution says? He has a great smile, and he's a great speaker with telepromters but that's it. When I see him speak it seems that he has no idea what he's talking about.

Opposition against the government is a good when they are comitting high treason. It becomes bad when people get extreme, which is what some are trying to push right now. We need to stay civilized, and make our voices heard. The current administration is trying to push incrediblely unconsitutional legislation on us, congress isn't reading it, and they make great haste as if the world will end if they don't quickly sign it into law. People need to realize this and start bitching at the lawmakers. They are the ones who choose the fate of this country. They NEED to take the time to read the bills. And they definitely need to know that WE THE PEOPLE are watching them.

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"And those who resisted were dragged out from their homes. This necklace was fashioned out of their teeth and bones."

wow! this is the problem with america , people being fed bull then go out and spread the crap like its butter.....

what about just taking the parts that work, making them work in our system better. we are americans, if anyone can extract the good parts and improve them it would be us! we can do anything we set our minds to right? overcome great odds because we are americans! dont let the fear mongers use fear as a tool.