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Old 08-06-2009, 02:43 PM
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He is right in terms of current government the US is the longest standing.

If you go back it would probably be Egypt, their system of government lasted 3000 years. The British monarch's have also been around for quite some time.
He said 'longest lasting government in the HISTORY of the world" which is NOT even close.
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Rome was around for 800 years, but I don't believe they had the same government the entire duration of its existence. I may be mistaken, but this was told to me by someone with their doctorate, so I believed it.
Rome was founded in 753 BC, mythologically. It was first ruled by 7 kings. Taquinius Superbus, the 7th king, was so bad, they moved to a republic. Julius Caesar quashed the republic and began a civil war. Augustus moved the country from a civil war to an empire and rule for 44 years himself as emperor. Rome then governed itself as an empire for a LONG time thereafter.

But like I said, this is merely one example. I'm only showing why your claim is false. Don't get so upset.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient...timeline.shtml

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I understand this. Still, America has only had one form of government for 200 or so years and it has changed and amalgamated quite a bit throughout that period. There are hundreds of societies with a single form of government which lasted longer than 200 years. The Roman Empire and the Greek polis are the two most popular, but there were many in the east and hundreds more throughout time. Hell, the aboriginals governed Australia for thousands of years under a type of government (depending on definitions).

And sorry for the mistaken 'n'. Your assumption that my mistake is indicative of low level of education is wholly wrong. If only you knew you presumptuous reactionary dogmatist.
Sorry for the hyperbolic reaction, but your statement reeks of ignorance. Plus, your blind dislike of communism and the statement that it's never worked throughout history are completely wrong. Do you know how many socialist countries have thrived over the years? Communism is merely a form of socialism, as an umbrella term. And I understand you were taught to hate socialism in your schools, churches, and homes, but reality is otherwise. Think for yourself a bit.
They thrived? While murdering the people and giving them a very low quality of life? Thats thriving? Say the wrong thing and you just "disapear". I wouldn't call that thriving. Existing, yes. Thriving? Not even close. Well the people at the top did well enough like Stalin but the average peasant, not so much. I don't hate socialism because i was "taught" to. I hate socialism because I cherish individual liberty, something that is not even remotely possible under socialism or communism.
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They thrived? While murdering the people and giving them a very low quality of life? Thats thriving? Say the wrong thing and you just "disapear". I wouldn't call that thriving. Existing, yes. Thriving? Not even close. Well the people at the top did well enough like Stalin but the average peasant, not so much. I don't hate socialism because i was "taught" to. I hate socialism because I cherish individual liberty, something that is not even remotely possible under socialism or communism.
Before the recession, England was thriving. Iceland was thriving. Denmark was thriving. France was thriving. Italy was thriving. Switzerland was thriving. They're all socialist.
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:02 PM
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I understand this. Still, America has only had one form of government for 200 or so years and it has changed and amalgamated quite a bit throughout that period. There are hundreds of societies with a single form of government which lasted longer than 200 years. The Roman Empire and the Greek polis are the two most popular, but there were many in the east and hundreds more throughout time. Hell, the aboriginals governed Australia for thousands of years under a type of government (depending on definitions).

And sorry for the mistaken 'n'. Your assumption that my mistake is indicative of low level of education is wholly wrong. If only you knew you presumptuous reactionary dogmatist.
Sorry for the hyperbolic reaction, but your statement reeks of ignorance. Plus, your blind dislike of communism and the statement that it's never worked throughout history are completely wrong. Do you know how many socialist countries have thrived over the years? Communism is merely a form of socialism, as an umbrella term. And I understand you were taught to hate socialism in your schools, churches, and homes, but reality is otherwise. Think for yourself a bit.
Man, I was the kid in the back of the class tellin all the other kids they were sheep for believin what theyre told. Its the reason that, although I grew up with an extremely catholic dad and a baptist mom (they were separated), that I don't believe in god. I base my opinions off the histories I've studied.

Using big words that you probably found on thesaurus.com, or some other site that allows people with low vocabularies to sound intelligent, doesn't make you sound smarter than you are. Use your natural vocab and your sentences won't sound so formulated.

I'll admit I made a mistake by making my statement somewhat vague. I should have made it clear that I meant America has the oldest surviving government.
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:07 PM
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Man, I was the kid in the back of the class tellin all the other kids they were sheep for believin what theyre told. Its the reason that, although I grew up with an extremely catholic dad and a baptist mom (they were separated), that I don't believe in god. I base my opinions off the histories I've studied.

Using big words that you probably found on thesaurus.com, or some other site that allows people with low vocabularies to sound intelligent, doesn't make you sound smarter than you are. Use your natural vocab and your sentences won't sound so formulated.

I'll admit I made a mistake by making my statement somewhat vague. I should have made it clear that I meant America has the oldest surviving government.
See how easy it is being nice? And I assure you my vocabulary is natural and my sentences formulated on the spot. I could use a more inflated diction if you like. Perhaps some etymological plays on words...pedagogical juxtapositioning...maybe even some dichotomous word play. Trust me, I have quite an arsenal. You engaged an ethos contest with the wrong person.

And BTW, those damn doctorates are never to be trusted.
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:14 PM
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See how easy it is being nice? And I assure you my vocabulary is natural and my sentences formulated on the spot. I could use a more inflated diction if you like. Perhaps some etymological plays on words...pedagogical juxtapositioning...maybe even some dichotomous word play. Trust me, I have quite an arsenal. You engaged an ethos contest with the wrong person.

And BTW, those damn doctorates are never to be trusted.
Now that I think about the conversation I had, I misquoted him (the doctorate). Regardless, I don't believe you talk like that on a daily basis, unless youre really fuckin uptight. I've had to take a ton of english, which included a couple semesters of vocab (only because I wanted to be an english major for a while) and one thing I learned is when you try to sound smart, people can tell. Let it flow out naturally and you won't sound so pompous.
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Now that I think about the conversation I had, I misquoted him (the doctorate). Regardless, I don't believe you talk like that on a daily basis, unless youre really fuckin uptight. I've had to take a ton of english, which included a couple semesters of vocab (only because I wanted to be an english major for a while) and one thing I learned is when you try to sound smart, people can tell. Let it flow out naturally and you won't sound so pompous.
A sound piece of advice. In fact, I teach awareness of audience and alienation in my rhetoric class every spring semester. For students, it's important to speak naturally. But I get to talk like this all day long. It's fun to use words as weapons, but it's not why I do it. Perhaps it is a reflection of my ego, I don't know...
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America definately does NOT hold the title of longest government in history by ANY means. We haven't HAD the same government (a democratic republic) for more than a century at a time.

The british monarchs (or jew-descendant zionists, as they call themselves) have prevailed in OWNING america 3 times, by establishing 3 central banks in america, the most recent (and current one) being the federal reserve. Our government and our currency is completely owned/controlled over british powers as we speak, as it is the Rothschilds, formerly known as the Bauers, who've established the central banks with the help of bought-off politicians, zionist missionaries, the rockefellers (and other female-blood-related descendants of the rothschilds, as jewish faith entails that a jewish woman passes 100% of her jewish heritage to her offspring), etc.

There are only 5 nations, including cuba, lyberia, sudan, iran and one other (russia? correct me here if wrong) that do not have a central bank controlled by the rothschild dynasty



the rothschilds are responsible for funding or provoking war, murder and bribery for as long as america has been in existance

there were 2 incidents in which the rothschilds were not in control- when their first 2 central banks in the US were freed from rothschild oppression. this is when abraham lincoln printed our own nation's currency and when andrew jackson, following his campaign promise to "kill the bank!" did so by vetoing congress' bill to reinstate them.


this is all you need to know about the history of the united states. we were rarely EVER a free nation because we've rarely EVER had our own currency
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Rome itself actually survived until the 1400 as the byzintines (sp),
so 2000+ years.
 

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