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    I think everyone can agree we need some form of healthcare reform. But what should be done? I personally think that we need some form of government subsidized healthcare, but we should fix our budget problems beforehand, and higher taxes should not be the solution.

    More work is needed on proposed health care legislation to make sure that it doesn't add to the budget deficit, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Sunday. Health Secretary Kathleeen Sebelius said it may be necessary to tax the wealthy to pay for health care reform.





    Appearing on the NBC program "Meet the Press," Sebelius said a tax surcharge on wealthy Americans is "a legitimate way to go forward."
    The taxes would start with people making $350,000.
    She noted the tax surcharge provision in a House proposal was one of several options under discussion to help pay for overhauling the nation's ailing health system.
    A final bill "will be paid for -- it will not add to the deficit," Sebelius said of health care reform, which is President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.
    Both the House and Senate are working on proposals that would create a government-funded public health insurance option intended to drive down costs of private coverage.
    However, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported last week that the measures currently under consideration in both chambers would not pay for themselves, increasing the budget deficit.
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    Democrats pushing the health care bills argue the CBO analysis lacks the impact of cost-cutting measures under discussion for existing programs such as Medicare and Medicaid.
    Sebelius said that all proposals include provisions to decrease fraud and improve efficiency of the current system.
    "In all the plans, more than half the money to pay for the proposal is already in the system,"Sebelius said, referring to what she called misdirected money for ineffective programs and other instances of waste and inefficiency. Watch report on President Obama's efforts on his top domestic priority »
    Republican opponents so far say the government is over-reaching by seeking to reform the whole system, which is draining the federal budget while leaving 46 million Americans uninsured.
    Also appearing on "Meet the Press," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called for expanding the tax deduction on health care costs for employers to include individual taxpayers -- what the Republicans call equalized tax treatment -- and limiting medical malpractice lawsuits that he said drive up the cost of medical care.
    "I'm not in favor of doing nothing," McConnell said. "It's important to reduce the number of uninsured. The question is how to do that."
    Both the House and Senate proposals so far include mechanisms to raise revenue through increased or new taxes.
    The Senate Finance Committee wants to create a new tax on medical benefits provided by employers, a plan that Obama opposes.
    Sebelius said the new tax could cause employers who provide coverage for 180 million Americans to change or drop their programs, which could "dismantle the private market."




    "He's reluctant to move in that direction," she said.
    Obama continues to favor reducing the limit on income tax exemptions for high-income Americans, Sebelius said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hom36rown View Post
    I think everyone can agree we need some form of healthcare reform. But what should be done? I personally think that we need some form of government subsidized healthcare, but we should fix our budget problems beforehand, and higher taxes should not be the solution.
    We should deny treatment to the elderly, the obese, smokers (of anything), the chronically handicapped, those with dementia, pregnant women, and some more groups later. In other words, we should implement government run health care. Then all will be well with the world.
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    Appearing on the NBC program "Meet the Press," Sebelius said a tax surcharge on wealthy Americans is "a legitimate way to go forward."

    I saw the program this morning. At no time did anyone ask Sebelius from where she derives the constitutional authority to introduce federal health care into the states. I wonder why?

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    We don't really use our Constitution any longer, we should auction it off to the highest bidder. I think if the government got completely out of health care things would improve. Just getting them into it deeper is only going to make things worse IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChChoda View Post
    We should deny treatment to the elderly, the obese, smokers (of anything), the chronically handicapped, those with dementia, pregnant women, and some more groups later. In other words, we should implement government run health care. Then all will be well with the world.
    Plenty of other nations on earth with socialized medecine...they do not deny treatment to the elderly or obese or pregnant, that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hom36rown View Post
    Plenty of other nations on earth with socialized medecine...they do not deny treatment to the elderly or obese or pregnant, that I know of.
    If you looked into it, you'd find they do. Start with Britain and Canada. It really is disgraceful, government run health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoDrama View Post
    We don't really use our Constitution any longer, we should auction it off to the highest bidder. I think if the government got completely out of health care things would improve. Just getting them into it deeper is only going to make things worse IMO.
    Let's see, we have 50 million uninsured...so that number would go up under a government subsidized sytem? In what way would things get worse, and why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChChoda View Post
    If you looked into it, you'd find they do. Start with Britain and Canada. It really is disgraceful, government run health care.
    Dropping people off at skid row when they are sick is pretty disgraceful.

    So let's see some data...I can't find any info on the UK denying treatment to elderly. All the Brits I have spoken to on this site seem to enjoy their healthcare system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hom36rown View Post
    Dropping people off at skid row when they are sick is pretty disgraceful.

    So let's see some data...I can't find any info on the UK denying treatment to elderly. All the Brits I have spoken to on this site seem to enjoy their healthcare system.
    the man is right

    ill say it before and ill say it again

    this is the exact same healthcare plan the nazis had


    if your part of the baby boomer generation, which is a HUGE amount in this country...and you go in for treatment, chances are you will be deemed "unfit to live" because your so old

    this is serious shit

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    Ha ha! As a Canadian, I can tell you that people are NOT! denied treatment in this Country because they are deemed unfit to live. My grandmother was given a replacement hip at 90 years of age. I have a morbidly obese uncle who has never been denied treatment.

    From my experience people in Canada are happy with the Health Care system. I don't mind paying extra tax to insure everyone will be given treatment if they need it, and not left to fend for them self if their insurance isn't good enough.

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