Any anarchos on RIU? Probably not, but I'm an anarchist-communist myself and part of the Anarchist Federation in the UK. We are class struggle anarchists who think that a truly free society can only be created by the revolutionary activity of the working class (in the sense of anybody repressed by the system) on a mass scale. We organise as a federation in a non-hierarchical, non-coercive manner and we take part in working class struggle locally, nationally and to the best we can, internationally. We see direct action and grassroots democracy as a means of achieving what we call a 'culture of resistance' where people will learn that we don't need the government and coercive instruments like the army and police to live our lives. Capitalism is inherently anti working class and anti-human because it only exists to accumulate 'capital', and it will do so regardless of the problems it causes in society on a grand scale and in making your lives shit too with work, monotony, and the endless cycle of production and consumption. Capitalism pits human beings against one another in competition, in companies, in communities, in war, in our lives. Social Darwinists say this is the natural state of humans but this is not the case, human beings live best in solidarity - in the realisation that we all share the same struggle for survival and that capitalism enhances the struggle by splitting us up and forcing us to work and consume for the inhuman needs of capital, which is dead labour.

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An anarchist communist eh? Isn't that like being an abortion doctor who is pro life? Communism is Total Government control, anarchy is 0 government. they are the opposite in spectrum so how can you be both? Or are you really trying to say your a commune who believes in no government at all? And if you have NO government who would be responsible for protecting others rights?

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dude i let the air out of his tires! he almost got out of first gear lol

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So, under your system, how does bread get on the shelves?

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Anarchy and Communism/Socialism/Fascism are not compatible ideologies, that is, you can not have Anarchy and Communism, because there is no way to solve the free rider problem, and because of the free rider problem people will get sick of working their ass off for people that are lazy, thus you end up either letting people who work keep everything for themselves, or you end up instituting a government to force people to slave for others.

Incompatible Ideologies.

It's like saying you want to live and want to die at the same time. Either you can choose to live, or you can choose to off yourself, you can't actually really have it both ways.

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hay man.... sounds like you know your stuff!! seriously not busting your balls or nothing but stangely the way you descibed that sounds crazily alot like america, your pretty much saying the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. lmao
just thought id say that.

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Originally Posted by dannyking i once filled a condom with weed and smoked it. not the latex kind though. that stuff is bad for your throat.

WTF......??

Yeah, that pretty much somes it up, but even under a Communist/Fascist government the rich are going to get richer, because they will still have political connections.

No matter what ideology is adhered to the poor are going to get trampled, just the difference is they can either be sold a bunch of BS and stripped of their liberties in exchange for the government taking care of them like infants, or they have their freedom and liberty under capitalism and have a chance of escaping for poverty.

:: shrugs ::

Of course, I might just have a bourgousie middle class way of looking at this shit, but I know what side my bread is buttered on, and it isn't on the government's side. That side's already eaten before I even finish buttering the other side.

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Hell mine gets eaten while im still in the fridge retrieving the butter in the first place.

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You're misinformed of communism. What you are thinking of is the authoritarian breed of so called 'communism' created by Lenin and most infamously Stalin. In actual fact, I would say that state communism like in the former USSR is nothing more than a bastard form of capitalism, where all the capital goes into the hands of the government, as opposed the form of capitalism we know, where the profits go to the bosses and the bankers etc. Both systems, whatever the name, are anti-human.

I like this quote that I think describes communism best:
"This tendency to create community by fighting against the conditions of our lives—and therefore against work, money, exchange, borders, nations, governments, police, religion, and race—has at times been called “communism”.

ie. communism is organising ourselves against our common class enemy - the capitalists, and creating our own new communities that are autonomous and resist oppression, be it economic, beauracratic or otherwise.

Anarchism goes hand in hand with the communism that I have described because ( and I'll quote again) :
"This tendency of working class struggles to go outside and against the government and politics, and to create new forms of organization that do not put our faith in anything other than our own ability, has at times been called “anarchism”."

I hope that clears it up, the 'communism' you were thinking of is a common mistake thanks to popular misconception and the obvious negative connotations that the word 'communism' has because of history.

I'd highly recommend reading WORK . COMMUNITY . POLITICS . WAR on www.prole.info to anybody who reads this thread.



In the free society, where we are not subject to the inhuman needs of capital, the actual minimum amount of hours of work a person would have to do in a day is about three hours. This is because today whole industries revolve around paperwork, insurance and banking, real estate and useless industries like arms manufacturing. They don't care if you finish early, they just want your time, enough of it to make you belong to them. In the free society, creation can be made into recreation because we will only spend our time working on things we want and need, whether this be as a community or an individual.

Ok, I don't know where you get fascism from but you will find that all anarchists are anti-fascist but I won't go into that.

Once again I think you have the wrong idea about socialism and communism as systems with a state, but I have explained previously that 'state socialism' and 'state communism' are really just forms of captalism.

As for free riders, it will be up to the community in the free society as to how to deal with these people, as I have previously explained, work will not be as much of a priority and it will be up to the individual as to if they work, when, where, and how. There will be less hatred towards work as it will no longer be hierarchical and coercive. But if there are people obviously being parasitic and un co-operative, it may be up to the community to say 'no more' to the individual and tell him he either helps or doesn't get any more. But that is just one hypothetical outcome, I can't predict or dictate the future. Work will be a completely different, liberated and creative experience in the free society.

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It already is up to the individual how, when and where they work. Surely you are not advocating that people that are not certified to be doctors should be allowed to practice medicine? (on the other hand I don't see any problem opening up law to any one that cares to practice being a liar, err, lawyer.)

The choice of career relies upon qualification, which implies education and training. You get the education and training, and you have more options, even under a pure anarchist system that would not change, as companies or individuals would not entrust the operation of high tech machinery to people that can not prove they are certified to run it.

And Fascism (National Socialism) is a form of Socialism. NAZI (National Socialist) Germany was a Socialist Entity, so saying that you don't understand where I'm getting Fascism from to link it with Socialism/Communism reveals a staggering absence of intellectual honesty or a staggering amount of ignorance regarding how the ideology of communism/socialism has been used.

None of the above explains how you expect Anarcho-Communism to work, it will either become the Statist Tyranny of Socialism/Communism, or it will become a Anarcho-Capitalist System where people refuse to support the free riders. Either way the eventual trend indicates that the system will organize either into a state ran economy, or an open economy dominated by large corporations that serve as focal points for the rest of the economy. Kind of like the formation of crystals in an aqueous solution.

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