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What I'm saying is I agree with you on this one man, but have done NOTHING to research these claims and won't because there's not a damn thing any of us as individuals can do about it anyway so I won't waste hours of my life on what I have no control over.

We will NEVER get enough americans to stand up and fight this, too soft and too scared and not well armed enough to take on modern weapons platforms so basically you just have to enjoy your life the best you can and say fuck the rest and not dwell on this stuff, it's too depressing.

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i dont belive this at all. i wont watch the utube video as evidence because i know it was made by a nutcase(wether its true or not). also i have seen a few videos on youtube that are neo-propaganda to scare a public addicted to the internet and widly ignorant. i dissagree with this entirely and if it is true then were living in a fuckin comunist ghetto of a world and our lives are dictated by some IMF (what ever that stands for).

i was expecting to read things like

1) lief erickson discovered America like a century befor americo vespucci(sp) or chistopher columbus
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30) america has been funded by tobacco since the first settlers arived.
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Fuck yeah I knew I was just a chia pet. Anyone ever played assassins creed? Kinda remind me of that lol "nothing is real or learned it is merely read from the litterature ur master so chosses to provide u" which is true. History is so overlooked its not even funny.
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. i dissagree with this entirely and if it is true then were living in a fuckin comunist ghetto of a world and our lives are dictated by some IMF (what ever that stands for)..

IMF = International Monetary Fund = Worlds bank
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Everythings the government loves you. The truth is out there you just have to dig a little bit. Like I stated Before you dismiss as false research. Give proof not just oh i dont watch youtube. FYI I posted the 30 facts in text with links since you people can't read and research off of youtube.
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Youtube has a ton of useful information! Very good source indeed.
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Essays explaining what has happened to this World

By: Nicole Terry PH: 717-497-5231
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The documents listed below, plus hundreds more and numerous Essays explaining what has happened to this World are available on Disks for FREE. The documents are not secret. They are all on the Public Record. All of the Cases and Documents listed below are on the Disks so you can see them for yourself. Just contact me (Nicole Terry) and I will be glad to send them to you.
What would happen to someone who played a major role in the discovery and publication of the following facts?
1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)
3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)
4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-28
5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914
6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)
8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-17
9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-17 10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)
11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. (Get the Disks)
12. The UN is a One World Super Government. (Get the Disks)
13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. (Get the Disks)
14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)
16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)
17. You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)
18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)
19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24) 20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)
21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)
22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)
23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

About the only thing that I have a comment on, as the Treaty of 1213 would have taken place before Henry VIII when Roman Catholicism was outlawed due to the Pope's refusal to grant Henry VIII a divorce. So, Henry VIII formed the Anglican Church and made it the official religion of the Kingdom of England (as at that time Wales, Scotland and Ireland were independent entities)

24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)
26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

Historical documents, and what about the current popes? Has the church given up this mad claim?

27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)
28. The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)
29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)
30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster's 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)
31." The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.
34. Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)
35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)
36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. (Get the Disks for the Essay and Documents.)
37. The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our" fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another's fictitious obligation. (Get the Disks)
38. The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves "Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Furor."etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the "Bank of International Settlements" is located.Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of "Government" in place. (Get the Disks and see the Documents for yourself.)
39. The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britain or King George. (Get the Disks for Documents and Essay.)
40. Guess who owns the UN? The disks have many more cites including Hundreds of Documents to verify the 40 statements above and numerous other facts. The Disks also include numerous Essays written by Stephen Ames and several other people that fully explain the 40 above mentioned facts. The Disks will clear up any confusion and answer any questions that you may have. The cites listed above are only the tip of the iceberg. Also included on the Disks are several hundred legal definitions because without them it is next to impossible for the non-lawyer to understand many of the Documents. Simple words such as "person" "citizen" "people" "or" "nation" "crime" "charge" "right" "statute" "preferred" "prefer" "constitutor" "creditor" "debtor" "debit" "discharge" "payment" 'law" "United States" etc, do not mean what most of us think because we were never taught the legal definitions of the proceeding words. The illusion is much larger than what is cited above.
There is no use in asking an Attorney about any of the above because: "His first duty is to the courts...not to the client." U.S.v Franks D.C.N.J. 53F.2d 128. "Clients are also called "wards of the court" in regard to their relationship with their attorneys."Spilker v. Hansin, 158 F.2d 35, 58U.S.App.D.C. 206. Wards of court. Infants and persons of unsound mind. Davis Committee v. Lonny, 290 Ky. 644, 162 S.W.2d 189, 190. Did you get that? An Attorneys first duty is not to you and when you have an Attorney you are either considered insane or an infant
In general, interesting stuff, but to actually determine if it is valid would probably require a lifetime of organized research, and even then, unless one knew where to look, I'd still have doubts about the correctness of the research conducted here.

Mostly because of the large glaring error that was made with the reference to the Treaty of 1213 which ignored the fact that Henry VIII did eventually break away from the Vatican.
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Everythings the government loves you. The truth is out there you just have to dig a little bit. Like I stated Before you dismiss as false research. Give proof not just oh i dont watch youtube. FYI I posted the 30 facts in text with links since you people can't read and research off of youtube.
haha dude you didnt have to write all that down for the ppl who hate youtube. thanks for showing us this vid..

theres really nothing we can do but its good to know.
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THE WHOLE THING IS A PACK OF LIES.

Geesh, where do "they" keep coming up with this stuff?

That which is posted below in red was received via e-mail on the above date. Apparently, this message was designed to provide "very secret information" about a wide variety of sinister matters for the purpose of convincing the message's reader about the validity of certain legal positions. I can only comment about certain legal points raised in this message, and then not all of them because I am not going to waste a lot of time debunking this garbage. But this type of message is representative of what lots of people unfortunately believe.
3.) The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)
This contention has been promoted by many who advocate UCC arguments. I provide here the above referenced pages from 41 Stat. ch. 214, which was an appropriations act for the federal government. These pages show that this act abolished some Treasury offices and also directed the deposit of government funds with various Federal Reserve Banks. I fail to detect how Treasury was abolished.

The truth is otherwise. The Department of the Treasury was created in September, 1789; see 1 Stat. 65. In 5 U.S.C. §101, Treasury is listed as an executive department. The establishment of Treasury is codified at 31 U.S.C. §301. We certainly have a federal Treasury today; see 31 U.S.C. §302.

Rather than being deceived by incorrect information like the above, if you wish to learn about the money issue, read this brief posted on this site, and you should also read Edwin Vieira's Pieces of Eight. Edwin is the foremost legal scholar regarding the money issue.
4.) The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-28
For the above proposition, the message's author cites some pages from Presidential Documents, which are not posted on the Net. However, the author does cite "22 U.S.C. 285", et seq., which sections are so posted; however, review of these laws shows this proposition to be without foundation. Here is 22 U.S.C. § 285:
The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the Asian Development Bank (hereinafter referred to as the ''Bank'') provided for by the agreement establishing the Bank (hereinafter referred to as the ''agreement'') deposited in the archives of the United Nations.
Here is 22 U.S.C. § 286:
The President is hereby authorized to accept membership for the United States in the International Monetary Fund (hereinafter referred to as the ''Fund''), and in the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (hereinafter referred to as the ''Bank''), provided for by the Articles of Agreement of the Fund and the Articles of Agreement of the Bank as set forth in the Final Act of the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference dated July 22, 1944, and deposited in the archives of the Department of State.
Both 22 U.S.C. §287 and 22 U.S.C. §288 are long and are not posted on this page but please follow the links to FindLaw. How does membership in the IMF make Treasury the IMF or any part of it?
6.) The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
The Federal Communications Commission was created by Congress via the law codified at 47 U.S.C. §151. For the CIA, see 50 U.S.C. §403. The creation of the FBI involves old matters which I merely cite. Via an act of May 22, 1908, 35 Stat. 235, a Bureau of Investigation was created. This agency was consolidated with the Bureau of Prohibition, Division of Investigation, in the Department of Justice via E.O. 6166 of June 10, 1933. This agency was later designated as the FBI by an act of March 22, 1935, 49 Stat. 77. See 28 U.S.C. §531. I live in Huntsville, Alabama, where NASA was started; see 42 U.S.C. §2472. Pull out the United States Government Manual and one may easily find references to various statutes for the creation of federal agencies.

The author of the message cites United States v. Strang, 254 U.S. 491 (1921), which was a case where the "United States Shipping Board caused the Fleet Corporation to be organized ( April 16, 1917) under laws of the District of Columbia with $50,000,000 capital stock, all owned by the United States..." This case does not stand for the proposition that any particular agency was not a part of the government. The case of Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (9th Cir. 1982) held that the Federal Reserve Banks were private corporations.
8.) There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-17
The case of Federal Radio Comm. v. General Electric Co., 281 U.S. 464 (1930), simply deals with administrative procedures of federal agencies, and concerns nothing about the creation of any courts. 1 Stat. 138 was simply an act to pay the debts of the United States.
9.) There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-17
The reference to 1 Stat. 138, an act to pay debts of the United States, has nothing to do with judges.

Here in Alabama, our Alabama Constitution contains provisions regarding the establishment our courts, as does Alabama Code, Title 12. Federal courts are dealt with via 28 U.S.C.
14.) New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 ( (2) (2)
Perhaps the best indicator that the author of the message discussed here was taking illicit drugs is this part. The reference to 22 C.F.R. §422.103 for the amazing proposition that New York is the capital of the world is pure fabrication; this regulation concerns solely Social Security Numbers.
20.) The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)
The contention that we are Brits is fully discussed here. The foreign country that loaned money to us during the Revolution was France, not the King of England.
22.) America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)
Please read my article, "We Ain't Brits." You may also read the Articles of Association which are posted on the Net; those Articles do not support any contention other than at the time, we were on the eve of war with the King of England.
31.) " The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor &City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
The case of Barron v. Baltimore dealt with the port at Baltimore and a "takings" issue. An attempt was made in this case to apply the 5th Amendment's "takings and just compensation clause" to the city.
32.) The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
The above is not what the United States Supreme Court stated in Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892): "and for this plain reason that the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors.' And in the famous case of Vidal v. Girard's Ex'rs, 2 How. 127, 198, this court, while sustaining the will of Mr. Girard, with its provisions for the creation of a college into which no minister should be permitted to enter, observed: 'it is also said, and truly, that the Christian religion is a part of the common law of Pennsylvania.'"

How about these various Presidential Proclamations and the frequent references to "Almighty God"? The below links are to various Proclamations published in the United States Statutes at Large which are posted on the Net. Some of these are several pages long, so please remember to hit "next image" to flip the pages of the Stats when reading some of these proclamations.
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