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4theist20 · #11 07-29-2007, 12:50 PM

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Not ALL scientists agree that global warming is caused by Mankind. Also, I really don't want to live within a system where free choice is a matter of history. I can't imagine living a life where we drive Tinker Toy cars, or where bottled water is outlawed and regulatory incrementalism gradually ties the knot of serfdom ever so tightly to where we cannot move without permission. By the way ... how do you feel about nuclear power?

Not ALL scientists agree on ANYTHING. Should we throw science out the window everytime we don't get a 100% concensus on any particular issue? How fast would our world collapse?

Why is it so terrible to drive smaller, cleaner cars? Why do you feel so strongly about bottled water? It just seems selfish to me to choose something I don't need at all over the environment. You can make all the foolish choices you want, untill one of them affects me. Global warming affects us all.

And I do support nuclear power in addition to renewable energy sources.

ViRedd · #12 07-30-2007, 09:55 AM

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There you go with the attacks. I've held off on attacking your ignorance, but you leave me no choice. Suggesting we commit suicide is about as low as one can go. just because we suggest people should be a little more responsive to the changing weather means we should shoot ourselves in the head. I'll keep my 1911 and my AK reserved for guys like you when the push comes to shove, thank you. We live on a planet that can support 2 billion long term and has 8+ billion and growing. Weather change is a certainty and a lot more bad things, human induced, and for the parasite thing, fuck you asshole, I paid into SS for 49 years and get a small pension from the union, so I'm livin the dream, I repeat Fuck you!

Med ...

You REALLY need to read the entire thread to get the basis of my remarks.

Vi

ViRedd · #13 07-30-2007, 10:03 AM

[quote=4theist20;219614]Not ALL scientists agree on ANYTHING. Should we throw science out the window everytime we don't get a 100% concensus on any particular issue? How fast would our world collapse?

Why is it so terrible to drive smaller, cleaner cars? Why do you feel so strongly about bottled water? It just seems selfish to me to choose something I don't need at all over the environment. You can make all the foolish choices you want, untill one of them affects me. Global warming affects us all.

And I do support nuclear power in addition to renewable energy sources.[/quote]

1. No, we shouldn't throw science out the window ... but it sure would be nice to hear the opposing side for once without the obviouse media blackout that is occuring.

2. That's the mindset of the totalitarian. I take issue with people/bureaucrats who want the majority to comply with the wishes of the very few. How do they gain compliance? By passing laws and making legal that which would be illegal if the law hadn't been passed. Second hand smoke is a great example of this. And by the way, there is no proof that global warming is caused by the activities of Mankind. The weather/climate goes through NORMAL cycles and has since the beginning of time.

3. Great, I support nuclear energy as well. Instead of screwing around with corn, and the "windfall profits" the corn lobby would bring to the corn industry for something that really isn't a viable energy source, we should be building nuclear plants like crazy.

4. Thanks for being a rational debater.

Vi

4theist20 · #14 08-01-2007, 12:13 PM

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1. No, we shouldn't throw science out the window ... but it sure would be nice to hear the opposing side for once without the obviouse media blackout that is occuring.

There are more than a few sources where you can hear the 'opposing side.' Pretty much any FOX news show, or Glenn Beck. (And I'm more than sure there are others.) But I really could give a shit what news show hosts have to say on the matter. I care what scientists and people whos job it is to study the planet have to say. You can keep your Ann Coultler and Bill O'Rielly. Give me National Geographic.

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2. That's the mindset of the totalitarian. I take issue with people/bureaucrats who want the majority to comply with the wishes of the very few. How do they gain compliance? By passing laws and making legal that which would be illegal if the law hadn't been passed. Second hand smoke is a great example of this. And by the way, there is no proof that global warming is caused by the activities of Mankind. The weather/climate goes through NORMAL cycles and has since the beginning of time.

The majority of people believe Global Warming is real and it is at least partly caused by man. There is no proof of this, but there is very stong evidence. Do you believe in evolution? There is no 'proof' for that theory either. And yes, the climate goes through natural cycles. We can actually watch these cycles unfold in ice core samples. The Earth's climate change is like clock work, but there is much evidence to show that the changes going on now are far different than the changes made over the past 10's of thousands of years. There is something different this time.

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3. Great, I support nuclear energy as well. Instead of screwing around with corn, and the "windfall profits" the corn lobby would bring to the corn industry for something that really isn't a viable energy source, we should be building nuclear plants like crazy.

We have ways of making nuclear power plants much cleaner. In 20 years we could have power plants that produce only a small fraction of the waste today's power plants produce. We must use them to fight global warming. Corn alone will not save us. Neither will wind power. But I would love to see a combination of all of these things. Wind turbines where it's convenient, underwater turbines to catch river currents, the contruction of cleaner, safer power plants, even solar energy. We think of new things all the time. Lets start implementing these new technologies.

And why is it that you feel so adamently against smaller/cleaner cars, ViRedd?

ViRedd · #15 08-01-2007, 02:55 PM

All good points and well thought out, 4theist20.

I'm not against smaller/cleaner cars at all. What I AM against is having them forced down my throat by government edict. I'd prefer to let the market decide what kind of cars each individule drives. There's no doubt that gas prices are going to continue to rise, if for no other reason than supply and demand. As they continue to rise, consumers will seek relief. As consumers seek relief, the invisible hand of the market will provide the answer without resorting to a dictatorial solution.

And no, I don't believe in Evolution, I'm a Creationist.

Again ... thanks for the rational debate. Its much appreciated.

Vi

Indie · #16 08-01-2007, 07:22 PM

*Concensus in Science* There is no such animal, that is just another creative Buzz word kinda like *gravitas*. LOL ....Give me a accurate weather forcast a week in advance and I may buy into that propaganda. I said it once and I will again,\"I will not feel guilty for being an American\"

medicineman · #17 08-02-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Indie

*Concensus in Science* There is no such animal, that is just another creative Buzz word kinda like *gravitas*. LOL ....Give me a accurate weather forcast a week in advance and I may buy into that propaganda. I said it once and I will again,\"I will not feel guilty for being an American\"

"American"----spelled "Gross Polluter", I'm wise to you Indie.

ViRedd · #18 08-03-2007, 02:56 PM

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"American"----spelled "Gross Polluter", I'm wise to you Indie.

Go to Mexico City for a few days, Med ... then come back and tell us under which system cleaner air exists.

Vi

medicineman · #19 08-03-2007, 03:39 PM

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Go to Mexico City for a few days, Med ... then come back and tell us under which system cleaner air exists.

Vi

Vi, I don't have to go there, they've come here, BTW I'm going to Cabo for a few days pretty soon, might try and catch a larger swordfish than the 8 footer I caught last time. I got it all the way up to the side of the boat, after 4-1/2 hours, and let it go after having an eye to eye with it, what a beautiful animal. I almost had to fight the Mexican to make him not gaff it, he was seeing dollar signs as it was about 150 lbs of mahi-mahi @3-8 bucks a lb. The deal is if you land the fish, you split the fish with the captain. You should have seen the boat I was on, a little larger than a rowboat with a 1 cylinder diesel engine and a top speed of about 8 knots. That fish towed us about 5 miles out to sea. This time, I'm going on a better boat. The deal is, you give the money to a middle man and he sends you down the dock to a boat, bullshit, before I give up the money this time, I want to see the boat. That was my first sailfish experience. Hey, If your not busy, I'll give you a date and you can meet me there, sometime in october, BTW the captain smoked the reefer, and offered me some, it looked like good shit too.

ViRedd · #20 08-03-2007, 06:43 PM

Well, thanks for the offer, Med ... but Cabo San Lucas isn't my cup of tea. I'm more of a Guymas or Puerto Vallerta type of guy. HOWEVER, I can relate to the boat you were on. They're called Pangas. Its my favorite type of fishing. You're about two feet off the water and real close to the action. I prefer the smaller sport fish to the large stuff too. You know ... like Yellowtail, Rooster Fish, small Tuna and Dolphin Fish (Mahi-Mahi).

Hey, by the way ... how can you afford a trip like that anyway?

Don't you feel guilty, or are you gonna take that poor old guy who lives behind the liquor store in the cardboard box with ya?

Vi