For all you Israeli lovers, check this out. I can find thousands of these asccounts all over the net. This is just one. Next time you claim poor poor Israel, think about these children and their parents.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15693.htm

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I'm starting to hate the Jordanians! What dicks, to turn their backs on their neighbors like that! Disgraceful.

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Check out the Jordan Ministry of Tourism and Antiquity web site medicine man. Looks beautiful, huh? And don't miss the page header, "Jordan, Land of Hospitality." lol

http://www.tourism.jo/inside/Photogallery.asp

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Uhhh, OK, I'm sure If I bite you'll have something to shove up my ass, but this thread wasn't really about Jordan, just about how the Israelis treat their slaves in Palestine. You do know, before the 1948 war that area was known as palestine, not Jordan. The Israelis are actually occupying Palestine and holding the Palestinians in refugee camps. That would be an unbiased view of the situation, since I owe no allegiance to the Palestinians or have no animosity towards the Israelis. The facts are: The Israelis came into power with help from the US with weapons and money to fend off the surrounding Arab nations and in the process, created an underclass of the locals, known as Palestinians in their own lands. A mostly pastoral peaceful people that worked the land and kept to themselves. Now they are basically refugees in fenced in and patrolled zones, with little to none, the ammenities that the average Israeli enjoys. Say, tell me what you would do if you were in their situation, the Palestinians that is?

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What came first, the Jew or the Muslim? (it's not a rhetorical question)

Quote from Charles Krauthammer - The Weekly Standard, May 11, 1998

"Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store."


http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp

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Demand the Jordanians take down their fences, of course.

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So, the Palestinians should be dependent on Jordan for their existence. Forget that the Jews came in on boats thousands at a time untill there were hundreds of thousands and displaced the palestinians. I'll give them their ancestral rights, the ones that lived there before 1948, but to bring all the european Jews there to re-populate their "Homeland", while relegating the other occupants of the land to slave status seems a little wrong, wouldn't you concur? If everyone went back to their ancestral lands, The USA would be pretty unpopulated, and some ancestral lands would be way overburdened with ancesters, may even have to push out or enslave all non-ancestors. Just where in the hell should the Palestinians have to go when their ancestral homeland is currently called Israel. You say Jordan, why? Why do the Jordanians owe the palestinians any property? What the Israelis have done and are doing to the Palestinians, is every bit as bad as what the US did to the native Americans. Maybe they should allow Casinos in the west bank and Gaza.

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To be hospitable? So they, the Palestinians, aren't so cramped?

How about this. Jordan gives a huge chunk of land to the Palestinians. Then, Saudi Arabia and Syria each give a large chunk of land to Jordan. Then,....well, you should get the idea. Or should Israel just do like Costner in Water World?

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it's not about Jews and Muslims (Judaism is an older religion than Islam, but the religious beliefs of ancient Egypt/Greece/Rome are even older - doesn't make them much more or less correct). It should not be about religion, but about nationality. It is about Israel bullying the surrounding Arab nations. Many would agree when i say that Israel was allowed to be created because of a great feeling of guilt by the international community over the treatment the Jewish people had been subjected to throughout the Second World War. The US are not solely to blame, although they were most certainly involved; every UN country in 1948 had a hand in it too.

This was followed by a bit of this and a bit of that, but the end word must be that Palestine is now essentially the world's largest open air prison. The people of Palestine DO NOT DESERVE the treatment they receive. Israel's government needs to be held to account for its terrible crimes but I doubt that will happen any time soon. It is a sad fact, but Muslims are the new Jews in terms of racism and unfair international opinion.

Yasser Arafat once said "I come bearing the olive branch of peace in one hand, and in the other a machine gun. Do not allow me to drop the olive branch"
It was the fault of the Israeli government that violence became the main language spoken between the two nations.

And Jordan has really very little to do with it. Just as Iraq has really very little to do with Iran and vice versa. Just as Spain has really very little to do with France.


Good thread medicineman.

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or Israel could fuck off and give back the land they stole, the land which was not part of their initial boundaries. Why should the Arab nations have to give up their land? If sea level rose and made it unfeasible for the state of New York to be lived on, i'm sure that no one would expect each of the adjoining states to give up a proportion of their land. You don't just move over a bit, it doesn't work that way.

The complication is that these injustices have been allowed to go on for too long. There are now Israeli families living on Palestinian land who have been there for 2 generations, who regard it as their own homes and territory.

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