Was that Hitler quote supposed to be an offer of peace, or a threat?

http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Husseini.html

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So what is a border if not a man made concoction composed of man made lines on a man made map? So why can't Arabs re-draw these man made lines to help there fellow men? Or are Arabs devoid of compassion, just as you say the Israelis are?

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Jordan was given to the Palestinians at the end of WW2 at the same time the UN formed the nation of Israel. The reason the Palestinians want Israels land is because they have turned that piece of desert onto an oasis. Jordan is their homeland and they should go back to it

It's very misleading to simply switch the name of one person who's politics were abhorrent to you with the name of another. If i started referring to Bin Laden as Hussein i would be just as misleading, no matter how evil any of them are/were, or are/were regarded to be.

As an aside, i slightly misquoted the man and that this
“I come bearing an olive branch in one hand, and the freedom fighter's gun in the other. Do not..."
was the correct wording (after translation i believe).

Most of the article you linked there was interesting and at least in part true but it reads like propaganda, the last two paragraphs appear to be nothing much more than hearsay and the author's opinion. It's slightly yellow journalism and just not proper historical writing. The writer hasn't backed up his final claims, just asserted them. In fact, the website you linked (particular article regardless) is specifically anti-arab. The unhappy thing about the internet is that no matter what anyone believes they can find a few pages to back themselves up. Doesn't make it true and it doesn't make it right.

In response to your question

"So what is a border if not a man made concoction composed of man made lines on a man made map? So why can't Arabs re-draw these man made lines to help there fellow men? Or are Arabs devoid of compassion, just as you say the Israelis are?"

I would say that while yes, that is what borders are, it also over simplifies the issue. The people who live within whichever borders are in question must also be taken into account, so i nod to my previous statement
"The complication is that these injustices have been allowed to go on for too long. There are now Israeli families living on Palestinian land who have been there for 2 generations, who regard it as their own homes and territory."

I should have expanded to say that it would be unfair to these particular Israelis to evict them from what they see as their land, but it was unfair of their govt to evict the Palestinians in the first place to make room for the Israeli's forefathers. My main beef is not with the people of Israel, even less so with the people of the Jewish religion (i actually see it as one of the least ridiculous religions) as they are distinct. My beef is with the Israeli government, and the govts of the rest of the western countries who seem to think it's ok for Israel to repeatedly break international law, e.g. the bombing of the Gaza strip early this year.

There is no quick fix in the middle east. I do fail to see why you think it is the Arabs who should have to give up their territory. As childish as it may seem to others reading this, i am a firm believer in the arguments "we were here first" and "they started it" as fairly good indicators of who may be, however slightly more innocent in a war which has lived so long. Were i to word these statements differently they may read as much more admirable.

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The Israelis were there first and the British started it. Does that make Israel easier to accept?

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I will never find Israel easy to accept as long as their government see fit to murder innocent civilians, including children, and bomb hospitals and schools.

I may have been ambiguous earlier - i don't think the entire state of Israel should be abolished. I think the people of Palestine should be allowed back onto their land and that the should be treated fairly, with dignity and respect. They are not second-rate citizens of the world and they do not deserve to be imprisoned and shot at like fish in a barrel.

State your sources for your claims. If you're talking about the Israelites of Canaan and Egypt, who are thought to have been turned into "The lost tribes of Israel" by the Assyrians in approx 720 BC, my opinion is that not all history from that time can be verified and that which can is vague at best.

If you're talking about the "Land of Israel" as in the Bible and presumably the Torah, then i disregard religious writings as historical fact. Beliefs and faith are not the same as fact or truth.

The British didn't start it until '48, so i don't think both your statements can be simultaneously true. And while yes, they did, every other western country has allowed it to continue by not forcing the two nations into and agreement (i realise this contradicts the "they started it" rule but just because i think that counts for something, doesn't mean i think it's the only thing that does)

My opinions on the matter in question obviously are quite different to yours, i've more or less run out of stuff that i actually know about to say and i refuse to start spouting the results of google searches.

In fact, i might even +rep you for being the first person on this forum with whom i've had a reasonably sensible debate without it deteriorating into an insult slinging competition. Good work on not being an arsewipe, even though i disagree with your opinions.

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my two cents....


Bronze Coins [prutah] Leptons struck between 103 BC to 76 CE This coin was struck in Israel 80 years before the 2nd Temple was destroyed in 70 C.E. Coin is approx dime size or slightly smaller http://www.milechai.com/judaica/jewishartifacts.html

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oh i can't be bothered going into every question that raises but the main ones are

what proof of authenticity is there?

and what about the years before then?

i'm an incredibly skeptical person. i actually am done now...honest

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Not so fast...my turn. What proof do you have that Israel even exists? Have you ever personally been there? Will you at least concede the possibility that the pictures and videos we have been shown could have been filmed on a Hollywood sound stage, or on the moon for that matter?

Any of you skeptics ever send money to the Palestinian cause? Have you been to the place? And it doesn't count if you took an "overnight flight" or you were "clouded in" en route. How do you know, for sure, that it isn't actually a Zionist plot to extort money from liberals?...

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lets move em all to texas.

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