In spite of the obvious, I'm not going to call you ignorant. I've turned over a new leaf.

Here ya go, Med ... a simple Google search turned up this Wall Street Journal article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123655590609066021.html#printMode

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Liberals are people that will believe anything twice.

I'm so sick of the ignornant majority and bullshit oligarchs that run this country into the ground! I swear, I hope for something drastic to happen to this current administration and stop these motherfuckers from taking what little freedom we still have away from us.

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“Under my plan of a Cap and Trade system, electricity rates would NECESSARILY SKYROCKET.” -BARACK OBAMA

Pretty simple math.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/howmuch.html

25w cfl (100w) equivalent x 10 =
250w cfl (1000w)equivalent
24 hrs (Veg)
12cents/ kwh
186kwh/mo
$22.30/ month
$270/ yr ($135 every 6 months)
Based on a 31 day month

(135/2 = $67.50 (clearly, this represents 6 months flowering on a 12/12 light cycle))

67.5+135 = $202.50/ year assuming you veg 50% and flower 50% of the time in your 4x4 foot grow show, and that you use cfl. Multiply that by 4 if you use 1000w hid. Now we are at $810 a year.

This is before cap and trade.
Now to cite an earlier link...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123655590609066021.html#printMode

According to this article, 9th paragraph, 2nd sentence...

"When CBO scored a similar bill last year, it expected prices to start at $23 and rise to $44 by 2018. CBO also projected the total value of the allowances at $902 billion over the first decade, which is some $256 billion more than the Administration's estimate."

A projected increase of 100% in the cost of CO2 credits over 9 years. So you could generally say that $810/ yr just jumped to $1620 if the energy consumer pays 100% of the increase in energy production Under Cap and Trade.

From the same article, the "making work pay" tax credit will pay families $800 bucks. After the credit, according to my 2nd grade math, Cap and trade will cost the indoor grower $10 more annually over the next 9 years... For a 4x4 grow show.

But what if I grow with 10 1000W hid? By 2018 that will cost me $16,200 a year in lighting less the $800 tax credit- or $15,400. That is pretty big overhead compared to the $8100/yr I pay now. (Assuming I have a 40x40 ft grow op.)

I'd say so far that it will cost the indoor grower a bangload-almost double. In lighting alone.

What if I want to Air condition or heat my grow op? 3500w/ hr for a 2.5 ton ac unit. I am cooling a 40x40 foot grow show with 2.5 tons of ac? That is not enough cooling, but I'll be conservative. 1200 btu/hr= 1 ton 40x40= 1600 sq./ft so take $15,400 and multiply that by 3.5 is $53,900/yr to cool the space. This does not factor the heat load produced by 10,000w of hid lighting. Your total in cooling and lighting is now at $69,300.

Have I started on fans yet? Or have I touched on the remarkable increase in nute costs, water, delivery of soil, rent, insurance, what about cost of living? These numbers rely on the fact that you are alive to grow in the first place.

In short, the manufacturer is not going to stop producing. That FUBAR will be passed to the consumer. The increase in cost of everything will be staggering. But there really is nothing you can do about it now. I would stockpile guns, water, food, medicine. And I would get over the retarded, yes RETARDED notion that it will all be all right because someone in high command- SOMEONE in a position of power must care enough to not let this happen. Right? Anyone? Hello?

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Why Live in Pain?

great to see others here are talking about this issue. Any bill that adds 300 pages hours before a vote is obviously not for our best interest. Patriot Act was done in a similiar way.

Something else that should be mentioned is this bill creates Climate Police who will monitor buisnesses and households. Could cause quite some trouble for even medical growers. This is a tax on life and also a creation of a new form of police. Really is quite shocking how we are about to take the next step into tyranny yet nobody seems to be aware. I guess they are creating more jobs, all of them carry a badge and a gun.

Is it true that the original 1300 pages were handed out 24 hours prior? If so that's asking for an uninformed vote, as nobody can read all that in a day.
If it all wasnt so disgusting, I would laugh, but thats no laughing matter. Can't the legit lawmakers (yeah sounds funny to me too) say, wait, I wont vote yes or no with this kind of deadline, but those would just be excluded so the corupt ones can push a bill through under the cloak of night.

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They may take our lights, but they will never take our freesun!

How about they took the number offline? Because we already know how much they care about peoples opinion, they already got the votes, they wont listen again until campaign time, I really feel this to be true, call me a cynic.

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They may take our lights, but they will never take our freesun!

Great, I just started indoor, back to the sun!