Most 1930's Americans had the same view of Nazi Germany.
They said, "Let Europe and Russia deal with them."
Besides, Germany was such a small country that was disarmed just 20 years before.

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Who are our enemies.....

Russia
China
N. Korea
Iran
Syria
Venezuela
Bolivia
Quebec

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Quebec....LOL....You forgot oooh how many states in US? 40 maybe?

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Quebec is the kingpin in that group too...take them down and the rest will fall into line....40 states included. (offer not available in Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico)

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This may sound bad, but by allowing Europe to fight its own war against Germany and Italy, we came out smelling like roses. We were able to play the role of saviors and gained a lot of good press over there. Not to mention the economic benefits.

With Germany and the rest of Europe (not to mention Japan) in ruins and broke from fighting the wars we were able to dominate economically for the next few decades while they rebuilt. We may have had a much different position now if we had jumped in with both feet right away.

Instead now we have been blowing trillions for the last four decades fighting war after war, and investing less and less in our country.


I'm sorry but I just don't see it. Russia and China are large trading partners for us, and most of the rest are countries that we have put so many restrictions on that they are pissed at us since the cold war. Syria does not want to be a part of the rest of the world, so screw them, and leave them be.

If countries want to stay poor, let them. It is none of our business. If their people want to overthrow the government let them do it. Or let the rest of the world decide it is time to take action.

These people are not our enemies. If anything we have decided that we need to 'convert' them into the religion that is the united states.

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i believe any country who is willing to use Nukes on any other country is an enemy of the world and it is the responsibilty of those that are able to to address this...Hanimal I didnt think you were into nimbyism but what the hell as long as the fallout doesnt reach your shores its ok? China and Russia have no desire to sort anyone out, they cant even sort their own issues out without media blackouts violence and repression, so how are they going to sort anyone else out. N Korea is a starving nation and its people think that its the wests fault, if China or Russia wanted to they could change public perspective to allow the natural progression of revolution to ensue. However this hasnt been the case, why, because its not in their interest for NK to be anything other than a threat. The more threats there are in the world to western democracy the more likely the world order will change, or at least thats what repressed communist ideology believes. History shows that when distractions are rife power struggles ensue.

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To this day the only ones to have used this against another country is us here in the good ole US of A. Want to guess who has 'tested' the most?

The difference between 'not in my backyard' and fighting all these wars that don't have anything to do with us, is the same thing that so many people are opposed to in this country. Our government needs to try to stay out of others business.

The reason they are starving is because we have a trade embargo with them and China cannot trade their scarce food to them because they need it. So it is directly our fault. If we didn't decide that they were evil and did trade economically with them it would turn the country around.

See here is the thing, if our way is the best (which I think that it is) then people that see how well it works would love to be more like our capital market system. Look at how Russia dropped the communism, who was it that they took after? Same with China, they are trying to hold onto the communist politics, but they have opened up the economy to the free market, and they are doing very well.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding, the reason to fight with someone is not to make them change to be more like you, that is easier done with economic support, and education. What you are saying they are afraid to do is exactly what they have done. China may not have a 'free political society' like we do, but they have already opened up and the revolution has been underway for a few years now.

NK doing this looks very bad on China, and the Chinese know this. Last time they tossed a few missiles in the air China stepped up and told them to simmer down. They have not, so this makes China look like they are weak. So the trading partners of NK, China and Russia are the only ones that can handle this without us having to fight another war.

I don't understand why everyone is so afraid of communism. It is actually funny.

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I missed out the word 'aggressive' when talking of using nukes. I am not afraid of communism and Im not American. I dont think you have been to china or S.Korea have you. The Chinese have food a plenty but choose not to distribute it equally, reminiscent of pre French revolutionary period and pre Russian revolutionary period. The difference in China is that it is truly vast and no revolution will take place that affects Beijing one iota. I think it is amusing that people actually give credence to the belief that the Chinese give a damn what westerners think...they dont, it is all smoke and shadows with them.


While that may be true -- and few outsiders really know what's up in Pyongyang -- there is another way to understand the North's willingness to antagonize much of the world: Chinese buyers of North Korean minerals don't seem to mind.
Increasingly, revenue from these buyers is going directly to the North Korean military, which has taken control of exports of coal, metals and other key economic sectors, according to the Seoul-based Institute for Far Eastern Studies.
By funneling hard currency to the military, Chinese enterprises seem to be insulating the confrontational core of Kim's government from the international consequences of its behavior. "To the extent that these transactions are increasingly controlled by government entities, particularly the military, North Korea's response to sanctions and diplomatic concerns are almost surely diminished," said Marcus Noland, a North Korea expert at the Washington-based Peterson Institute for International Economics.
Japan, South Korea and the United States, the most outspoken champions of using sanctions to change North Korean behavior, are painfully aware of China's growing trade. "If China continues business as usual with the North Koreans, they won't feel any pain," said a senior official in Japan's Foreign Ministry.
U.S. leverage with China is complicated by its own money problems. While China is North Korea's main patron, it is also the U.S. government's largest creditor, holding as much as $800 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds...

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But none of that convinces me that America needs to be the one that steps up and does something about them.

They may not care what we think here in the west, but they should at least have some understanding of the consequences of North Korea's action, and none of them are good. I have not been to China or S. Korea, I take it how you say that like it makes anyone that has not been there unable to read about it unable to understand, that you have?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-food-shortage

You don't increase your budget in researching how to cultivate food by 20% if you feel like it is safe.

This is what I am saying. I understand that China doesn't really care if N. Korea launches a few missiles. I am saying that they are the only ones that can do anything about it. And if the rest of the world (Who China does heavily rely on with their trade) puts the pressure on China, they will have to step up. They got brushed aside this time, but eventually the pressure will be on China to do something.

And I do understand that America and China are very involved with eachother financially and we cannot force them to do anything, just like they cannot force anything on us. But we are still on the highground financially with China. And it shouldn't be a us and them, once France, Germany, Uk, Japan and everyone else gets on board and wants to put N. Korea down, they can force the hand of China by stopping the trade with them until they put pressure on N. Korea.

We here in America don't need to pick a fight because nobody else is.

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Sorry hanimal, i have never stated that a pre-emptive strike from the Us is what should be done, my original post was, 'what should be done'? So your answer is put pressure on China to put pressure on KJI?

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