take a look @ this video, describes my thoughts very well. think about it, really consider it, and i'll be curious to hear all your responses (i'll try my bessst not to attack those who disagree)...but i'll also try to substantiate this past some sorta "conspiracy theory" with facts and supporting details

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgjkJdQjze0

Yeah, I think that about sums it up.

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Let's see how far the "audit the fed" thing goes. Controlling a population through inflation, the Federal Reserve and the debt/taxation cycle is a good scam and since no recent President has had the nads to challenge this system (except JFK and we know what happened to him) I have to say our Presidents are either ignorant or evil or bought. Or all three.

Alot of people seem to see issues as how their particular party or "news station" frames them...they don't read, think or consider other points of view. They support "platforms" rather than consistent principles. They can be easily manipulated that way. Often times they will support contradicting points of view if the issue changes.

I've learned that many people are only Libertarian when it comes to THEIR rights but not when it comes to somebody else's life, liberty, property or wallet. People want to use government to push their own agenda...whatever happened to leaving people alone or individual rights or choice?

If we lived in a truly free society, as long as a person were not harming another, all transactions would be based on voluntary interactions. If somebody wants a certain program, (like "free health care" ) I say great idea...go ahead and start it, just don't make everybody participate or pay. What the heck I might even participate if somebody can convince me there will be no victim in the making it "free".

Government isn't the solution, it's the problem...Government ALWAYS falls back on force. Nobody wants to talk about the gun in the room, but behind every stupid law or government program is the threat of government violence.

If we were truly free we would not lead the world in prison population percentage wise. That's right we imprison more people than any other country. In a free society, there would not be victimless crimes, people would be able to choose how to live their lives. Instead we get to choose who will be the "leader of the free world" every 4 years...bullshit.

The two party system means you get one more choice of who will be your master than countries with dictators.

The two party system gives the illusion of choice. Most people won't vote for a principled candidate, because they don't
want to support a loser and instead vote for the lesser of two evils, they get excited when "their" candidate wins. Yet, what did they really win? Nothing changes in a two party system for those who control the issuance of money, because they OWN both parties.

Well, I believe most of us knew this already. Some of us hoped it could be different with the first black president, afterall, didn't he come from "the people"? The ruse seems to be working perfectly as he is now getting right into line with all that came before, talking shit and basically doing nothing. His freedom agenda lost oomph when he nestled back into that real comfortable recliner on AF1, when he figured out he either played ball with the big boys, or they'd take him out, He is fast becoming just another figurehead for the money boys, promise them everything and give them nothing. Let's see how he takes on the Medical insurance and HMO lobbies, that will tell the tale. My money is on the lobbies winning that one. Yes I have jumped ship, the Obama agenda has jumped the track and is heading back to Bush-ville. Wake me up when he actually completes a campaign promise, a complete one.

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Welcome to the real world, Med.

And what "freedom" agenda are you talking about? Obama is/was part of the Chicago political machine and that's reflected in his cabinet choices.

By the way, you really should tune in to Glenn Beck just to follow his expose' of A.C.O.R.N. This promises to be the greatest scandal since Watergate.

Vi

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No Vi, It isn't the right that is making up my mind, fuck them and their agenda also. ACORN is just a voter registration organization. They don't influence the vote other than getting the vote out. The scandals basically are that some organizer, (Lazy asshole) filled in names from a phone book, because he got paid for each name he "registered" Those people obviously didn't know he had registered them so they either voted like they were going to or not, that phony registration had absolutely no effect on the vote, just on the asshole organizers paycheck, and oh yeah, fuck Glenn Beck, that nazi bastard.

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RobRoy- thanks for the thought-out response

medicineman- you sound like a very intelligent guy...that said, and I don't want you to take offense but...I posted this with you in mind, as well as some others too...who keep referring to "lefties, righties, dems and repubs" as if it actually means anything. ya know?

I think this is a real useful video for anybody to see, just because it provides a visual for what's been going on for a long time...

Med ... you really need to educate yourself on ACORN. Believe me ... this is a scam organization on a monumental scale. The voter fraud is only the very tip of the iceberg. Forget how you feel about Glenn Beck and tune the guy in. You've GOT to get on board with this ACORN deal.

Vi

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Why don't you explain to us the far reaching effects of acorn instead of refering to Glenn Beck? (a total moron if you ask me)

Well, Med, you finally did it....

I'm speechless. Dumbfounded. Flabbergasted.

And just a little bit impressed.

It takes integrity to be willing to critically examine one's own position. The conclusions reached do not matter so much as the examination itself.

I tip my hat to you, Sir.

Here's another take on the thread topic:
http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

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