Originally Posted by Gygax1974

lying about a blow job vs. lying to start a war....gee which is going to actually affect this country? Apples and oranges. They both lied and yes Clintopn lied under oath he deserved to get punished for lying. If you don't think Bush should be impeached give a reason....

So what's to stop another president from starting a personal war if nothing happens as a consequence? Why should we let politicians walk all over us are we that pathetic? Dude I don't know how you feel but basically some terrorists f*cked with us in our own neighborhood, and we were pissed as hell and I felt we were actually all united in that moment, we were all brothers and sisters that day, we all hurt, we all where sad and angry...a united front, a family. Our leader turned around and took advantage of the situation by starting a war to profit the oil industry (his friends). What have we done to pay back those cowards that actually committed this atrocity in our own backyard. NOTHING!!! I don't know about you guys but I want my children to grow up in a safer world....

Bush made us look pathetic to the rest of the world...he took advantage of each and every citizen of this country. He is responsible for every life lost in this so called "war". He told congress to back off yesterday, he basically told this country that what we want doesn't matter. He's OC....outta control...a bull in a china shop

Originally Posted by ViRedd

1. This isn't Bush's "personal war." How many members of Congress voted in favor of the war .... do you know?

Originally Posted by ViRedd

3. Damn right Bush told Congress to back off. He's the Commander in Chief, not Nancy Pelosi. Read the Constitution for reference. The last time I read the document, it said something about "seperation of powers." I don't believe that's changed any, has it?

Vi

Originally Posted by ViRedd

1. This isn't Bush's "personal war." How many members of Congress voted in favor of the war .... do you know?

2. Thousands upon thousands of Islamofascists have been killed in Iraq, including many of their leaders. Saddam supported terrorists and maintained terrorist training camps. Saddam was pulled out of a Gopher hole, tried and hung. His two murderous sons have been killed by our military. Osama is hiding in a hole in Pakistan somewhere. And in case you need reminding ... there has not been a single major terrorist attack on our country since 9-11. Do you just suppose that's because the terrorists don't want to attack us anymore?

3. Damn right Bush told Congress to back off. He's the Commander in Chief, not Nancy Pelosi. Read the Constitution for reference. The last time I read the document, it said something about "seperation of powers." I don't believe that's changed any, has it?

Vi

Originally Posted by ViRedd

Originally Posted by Erniedytn

Exactly..we basically took a beehive and kicked that bitch across the yard. Now everyone is saying we need to pull out of Iraq, but if we do it will only make the situation worse at this point.

Originally Posted by ViRedd

Sorry, but "everyone" is NOT saying we should pull out of Iraq. Those who remember history are not saying that at all. Those who have analyized the situation realize exactly why we are there and why we should stay. Those with a political axe to grind or those America Haters on the extreme left ... you know the rabid Bush haters? ... well, when they see the blood-bath the pull out will cause, they'll start bitching about to rapid of a pull-out just as soon as we pull out. Read some Vietnam history for reference.


Vi

Originally Posted by suicidesamurai

If we pull out, there will a bloodbath. But who will be dying? Not Americans.

If we want the terrorists to not want to attack us, we can't simply leave Iraq. We would have to cease all relations with Muslim nations. That is what they want. But what they also want is for the entire world to be controlled by a caliphate. So even if we give them what they want, there is no gaurantee they wouldn't keep attacking us. That is why you don't negotiate with terrorists.

I know of a simple way to stop the attacks. Don't have Muslims living in your nation, and don't let them visit. If they aren't there, they can't attack you. In the UK the guys doing the attacks are mostly born and bred there. That is a result of multiculturalism, but such is their (and our) future.

Originally Posted by ViRedd

If you want to believe everything the Mainstream Media shoves down your throat, then have at it.
Vi

Originally Posted by suicidesamurai

Believe me, I'd like to see Bush impeached. But there isn't a good enough reason for it. Only those on the far-left suggest it, and that is because they aren't bright enough to understand you need good reasons to impeach someone. With Clinton they had good reasons.

And Med, suicide isn't my style. Sorry.

Originally Posted by ViRedd

Sorry, but "everyone" is NOT saying we should pull out of Iraq. Those who remember history are not saying that at all. Those who have analyized the situation realize exactly why we are there and why we should stay. Those with a political axe to grind or those America Haters on the extreme left ... you know the rabid Bush haters? ... well, when they see the blood-bath the pull out will cause, they'll start bitching about to rapid of a pull-out just as soon as we pull out. Read some Vietnam history for reference.


Vi

Originally Posted by suicidesamurai

I know of a simple way to stop the attacks. Don't have Muslims living in your nation, and don't let them visit. If they aren't there, they can't attack you. In the UK the guys doing the attacks are mostly born and bred there. That is a result of multiculturalism, but such is their (and our) future.

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

Oh please ....these people lied this country into war and that is a FACT ....

Ex-CIA analyst: Forged 'yellowcake' memo'leads right back to' Cheney

.... and I'm sure you've never heard of the downing street minutes that proves they lied ....

DoD Report Appears to Confirm Downing Street Memo
A long-awaited report on the veracity of pre-war Iraq intelligence has found that a secretive policy shop exaggerated the Iraqi threat, providing the White House with cherry-picked information about links between Iraq and al Qaeda. The shop, operating out of the Pentagon, was set up by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Its goal was to lay the groundwork for a pre-emptive military strike against Iraq.

The secret Downing Street memo
It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

Here is the actual memo on PDF ....

Plus there is this ....
60 Minutes: CIA Official Reveals Bush, Cheney, Rice Were Personally Told Iraq Had No WMD in Fall 2002

... and that just the war .... that doesn't include the torture, the illegal wire tappings, the caging pratices that are going on .... outing a CIA agent ... stolen elections ..the list goes on and on ....

You talk about Clinton lying under oath, but the illegitmate bush and cheney refused to testify under oath ... so what's up with that?

.... seem to me that your not bright enough to keep yourself informed of what is going on ....