Originally Posted by ViRedd

Ann Coulter is successful because she brings to people what THEY want. She understands the simple road to success: Help enough people get what THEY want and you will get what YOU want in return. Simple, but very hard to accomplish.

Vi

PS: Verve ... love your posts. Reason is always fought by those who prefer to base their "facts" on "feelings."

Originally Posted by silvernomad

So you define torture one way, which you have never felt or had it done to you.....torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person (like when the US troops in Iraq raped that young boy at that prison in front of his dad to get him to talk, or when they raped the wife and daughter of a man to get him to talk about what he knew.....and so on and so on) information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.




Lets say you are some dirt farmer, and your child was killed because of carpet bombing of the village you lived in, so you decide to join the fight against those who killed your child (for that reason only). You know nothing but where they tell you to lay down fire, or told to shot any western fighter you see.
You are picked up alive and sent to be questioned by western fighters; should they torture you to find out what you know or should they respect that it is war, and to follow the geneva convention aginst torture?

If we in the west can not stand by our standards (what we built our Countries on) and start to lower ourselves to the point that what we believe in, and stand for (human rights), now becomes a negative thing, why should those under (china, north korea for example) the same kinda thing, think of the west as freedom from such things and countries that stand up human rights anymore?

How far the west has fallen if it really believes that winning the war is to throw out the rights that we give all human life, and become the enemy that we battle.

Who then is right and wrong if we are not willing to stand by the set of standards that we have lived with for many years, and demand that others live by also when it comes to our fighters, but we don't offer the same in return?

Originally Posted by ViRedd

"Vi and Med need to sit down and smoke a heavy amount of hash together or just fucking hug and agree to disagree."

No thanks, Bro ... I'm not into torture.

Vi