That was beautiful. Where did you get all those quotes. See If I wanted to take the time and effort to refute Vs insane ramblings I could, thanks for doing it for me. Hell yes I know Ann Fucking Coulter is insane, why would someone post her unless they agreed with her which would then by association make them insane. You've proved my point and I am grateful. Thanks!

1) google coulter quotes
2) that's the point of debate no? Or does it take time and effort to coordinate with the other Dems who don't know what their stance is other than hysterics.
3) association doesn't prove corelation - high school psych 101 (again, sorry about the draft - but couldn't you at least brush up at a community college or something? The democrats have more than enough scholarships and loans for you.)

Coulter is a millionaire not because she is a famed and celebrated orator but because she is outragous and uncouth (like Al Sharpton, Cindy Sheehan, Jesse Jackson, Lou Dobbs, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, George Soros, Howard Dean and Hilary Clinton and bankrupt Air America Radio). Am I missing anyone ViRedd?

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Your true colors erupt, A Viredd clone. You guys should get together and do the humpty-bump. I'll post what the fuck I want and as far as education, what makes you so smart, you been takin them smarter pills? I'll Bet you're a PHD or a Rocket scientist or maybe just a big blow-hard like V. Do the humpty-bump, do the humpty-bump, use your rumpty-rump, when you humpty-bump. Geeze another frickin neo-con! Go figure!

What makes me so smart is I know just a little bit more than you on these matters. Probably because I'm younger and havn't been brainwashed through years of military manchuria and huffing napalm.

Not a neo-con, more of a fiscal (money) conservative/ social (abortion, weed, etc.) liberal.

It's OK, I like reading your posts and agree that you should post anything you want and argue however you want. I feel the same about ViRedd and his/her posts. The point is there are tons of crazy people in the world - you have to look at what they say as entertainment, not life or death political stances.

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Why does being younger make you smarter, I've never let the military inside my head for an instant,and never,thank GOD, huffed napalm. It's your arrogant attitude that offends me. Have you ever heard of a "know it all smart ass". I probably have as much "Higher Education" as you and many more years to think about the world. Senility has not set in yet, I keep hoping it will, as life would be much more mellow, and I wouldn't have deal with smart ass kids like you! Peace!

I am a smart ass kid, no apologies there. Sorry if I hurt your feelings though.

You were in Vietnam right? If you found a group of bad guys and they scattered during guerilla warfare and you caught a few. Would you "torture" them to find out where the rest of them were going, etc?

Would you keep them up all night for days at a time? Would you make them piss their pants or not eat or not pray or write relatives? Are these things torture? I don't think so. I think torture is tearing limbs off and burning with acid or rape...

Would hiring the ACLU to represent them in a Hollywood court be fair to non American antagonists (enemy combatants)?

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Ann Coulter wouldn't be a millionare if she didn't talk out her ass with half truths and people like you didn't eat it up vervejunkie.

Ann Coulter is successful because she brings to people what THEY want. She understands the simple road to success: Help enough people get what THEY want and you will get what YOU want in return. Simple, but very hard to accomplish.

Vi

PS: Verve ... love your posts. Reason is always fought by those who prefer to base their "facts" on "feelings."

There you go again with the Ann bit, you're a sick individual, who did she help get anything. she's like a freak show in the political circus. She probably gets way more attention from those who hate her, than anyone on the right. I'll bet she's turned more right wing idiots off than helped them. I'm starting to think you might be a little Crazy your self!

So you define torture one way, which you have never felt or had it done to you.....torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person (like when the US troops in Iraq raped that young boy at that prison in front of his dad to get him to talk, or when they raped the wife and daughter of a man to get him to talk about what he knew.....and so on and so on) information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.




Lets say you are some dirt farmer, and your child was killed because of carpet bombing of the village you lived in, so you decide to join the fight against those who killed your child (for that reason only). You know nothing but where they tell you to lay down fire, or told to shot any western fighter you see.
You are picked up alive and sent to be questioned by western fighters; should they torture you to find out what you know or should they respect that it is war, and to follow the geneva convention aginst torture?

If we in the west can not stand by our standards (what we built our Countries on) and start to lower ourselves to the point that what we believe in, and stand for (human rights), now becomes a negative thing, why should those under (china, north korea for example) the same kinda thing, think of the west as freedom from such things and countries that stand up human rights anymore?

How far the west has fallen if it really believes that winning the war is to throw out the rights that we give all human life, and become the enemy that we battle.

Who then is right and wrong if we are not willing to stand by the set of standards that we have lived with for many years, and demand that others live by also when it comes to our fighters, but we don't offer the same in return?

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