I saw this quote, feel free to argue this isnt where our country is headed.

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the state will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism"

Karl Marx~

Roll that up & smoke it!

I hope Marx's quote is applicable to our present situation. I would love to see nationalization of banks and SOCIALIST tendencies. You use the word communist as if it's bad (and you incorrectly confuse socialism with communism), but what's so bad about it? You can cite a couple of countries as evidence to the evils of communism, but you can also find over 20 examples of socialist countries that all rank higher than the US is education, health care (and thus, life expectancy), poverty, etc.......

What do you think of these idea?

yeah man nothing wrong with that...lol

i'm sure the "good" socialist states you speak of are small. when they're a world power its not going to be a good thing. look at China and Russia... world powers gone wrong.

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Does your utopia allow people the opportunity not to participate?
If not how do you enforce participation in your system...violence?

You know what the diffrence between libritarians and socialists is? Libritarians can live with socialists, Socialists can't live the Libritarians. You can have all the Socialism you want. Just don't force me to participate. But you can't do that can you? I must be subjected to your government If you are to reap the benifts of my labor.

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington

i think that a new name and a new society needs to come about, socialism, communism and capitalism all have areas that are bad, there needs to be something that encompasses the better points of all three.

Like the wealth should be shared around more, the little guy who makes the product in the first place always gets a pittance, but without those guys nothing would get done, so those guys need to have better wages, a cap should be put on bigger style businesses, like vodafone and other such massive companies that make billions of profit every year, these companies suck finances out of the economy, put them in bank accounts with low interst rates and the money is lost from the economy, this money should move somewhere else, like go into the tax system to remove taxes for lower earning families, don't get me wrong a guy should still be able to better himself and make something of life, in the capitalism way, but he shouldn't be able to let greed take hold and just put all that money away in the bank and have bullshit at his house that costs more than its really worth, he should live a good comfortable life.

but life at the moment seems that the small guys works as many hours as god sends to get by, pays all his taxes does everything by the book on how it should be done and gets screwed at every corner, while the people that are so rich can afford it, they find ways around it.

life should be a little more fairer to everyone were all here on the same planet doing the same shit

"these companies suck finances out of the economy, put them in bank accounts with low interst rates and the money is lost from the economy,"

Nope, Money that goes into a bank is then loaned out to people buying cars and building/buying homes. Money never really leaves the economy unless you hide in in your matress.

OK, Short and sweet. I own my body and the labor of my hands. You are not entitled to any part of me or my property. Just as I am not entitled to any part of you or yours.

All I want from you is that you understand and want your freedom.

i think i referred to big businesses like telecommunications companies and such, not banks, the banks are a whole different entity, what i'm talking about is major conglomerate firms that use every trick and every tactic to take money from the little man at the end of the chain, all this profit goes into company accounts where it sits and sits and sits, and yes money does leave the economy, because it will go to foreign investors with offshore bank accounts,

Those countries aren't worried about being world powers. Why should we?

And Canada and Britain are NOT small countries, relatively speaking. Neither is France. They are all socialist.

And don't fall down the slippery slope people. Just because we adopt socialist tendencies does NOT mean that the government will own your body and labor. You would see NO dramatic change from the current state of our nation and your daily experience if we were to adopt more socialist trends.

I say, bring it on..... Unless you're UBER rich, then socialism will only benefit you. I say, take the wealth from those who pillaged and raped to get it in the first place. They didn't earn it and it's not theirs (fired up yet?)