America is bankrupt thanks to our "socialist tendancies" as you call it jrh.

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haha i appreciate the hint you gave me or i would have written a response as well. however, it woulda been a lil better than the other dudes post lol. but i have noticed you play the "devil's advocate", just didn't know you did it on purpose lol. i enjoy teachers/professors like you that i can have a good arguement with... i'm sure you're good at wat you do.

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"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning"- G.W.B.

Pilaged and raped to get it huh, that is just plain retarded. Most of the "Uber rich" in America came from middle class families. Thats what its all about for you, class envy.

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You clearly misread the tone of my statement. Notice in the passage you quoted, I intentionally placed a question, noting the clear intention to bait you with my hyperbolic statement. You fell for the bait.

Do I believe in what I stated? Well, that's irrelevant. My beliefs aren't important, but intelligent discourse on these matters IS important. So I'm trying to engage edifying discussion rather than one-sided hate-mongering dribble, which you offered. You're making conclusions about me, totally missing the point...

Oh well......

HAHAHAHA! Show me a line by line chart of our current debt and how it was accrued before you even begin qualifying your absurd statement. Our debt began accumulating before we even arrived in America and it's grown steadily since then. So what are you even talking about?

I am puzzled by those who argue back and forth about "right wing" vs "left wing" or Republican vs Democrat. Isn't it possible there are any other points of view besides right or left? Why do people so often look to a phony ideology of a Political Party to determine what is right or wrong or worse what is best for other people? I don't think it's a stretch to claim both of the aforementioned parties are full of shit. Both think they have the answers to how you should run your life and how to spend your money, who we should kill abroad under the guise of protecting freedom or rationalize why taking your money and giving it to somebody else is good. Giving IS good, TAKING is not good. Giving is a voluntary act. Governments reallocating money for the ahem "good of society" conveniently dismisses how the money was gotten by government in the first place.

Look in the mirror, isn't that who should be responsible for your life, your decisions, your success, your failure? What is so wrong with telling both parties to fuck off and asking to be left alone? Is that even allowed...being left alone, making your own decisions who you will associate with, who you will help, who you will ignore?

Which brings me to my original question which went unanswered so I'll ask it again. What the heck I'll even answer it too.
Is there a utopian system or party that will respect my right to not participate in it ? Republican ? Nope. Democrat? Nope.
Communism? Nope. Socialism? Nope. You can't force people to participate in ANY system and still maintain that they are free. The best system would allow people the freedom to belong or not, ie minimal government. That's right... a fucking miniscule government. What people here really seem to be arguing is who will be the best master or how if they were in charge they'd use government to punish those rich bastards or lazy welfare queens depending on your perspective. Maybe if people stopped using the violence of government to run other people's lives we'd all be better off? Maybe people should consider that running other people's lives is usually where the happiness ends and the bullshit begins.

Why are you baiting people here? That's what trolls do.

I don't even know what that means. I'm not up to date on the internet lingo and vernacular jargon. Sorry.

The bolded text above is quite good. I agree with your open-mindedness. I tend to depart from the rest of your diatribe, however.

A Troll is one who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.