UK SYSTEM: 45,000 'health' workers call in sick every day ...

CANADIAN SYSTEM: Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Vancouver...






ooooo i cant wait for my government to get thier hands on my healthcare soo exciting!!! cant wait!!!!



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Well I guess I forgot that in virtue of you saying something, it must be correct. That is what you stated, right? Almost verbatim, in fact.

I guess I should just take everything you say as fact, even though you established no authority on ANYTHING. Even with authority, it's fallacy to believe something simply because the authority said it, but I guess having no authority on the matter makes it more believable. Like backwards logic - I get it. I must simply subscribe to backwards logic and then everything you say is right! In Cracker's world, being an authority makes you less believable and lacking authority makes you correct - hmmmm.......

Here is where I reject your reality and substitute the objective reality that most of us normal folk subscribe to. The real query is HOW you got to the point of reaching the inane conclusions that you push on us, day in, day out. Maybe it's your irrational and singular quest to keep the large amass of wealth you're constantly bragging about on this site. Perhaps this one drive to keep accumulating wealth has, in fact, destroyed your senses. Have you read Euripides' Medea? If not, you should. I'll give you a hint - you're Medea.

That unleash the dragon video that Big P has is great, very entertaining. It's like the marijuana food network.

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EVERYTHING THAT I SAY HERE IS COMPLETELY FALSE AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THESE THINGS IS SO I CAN SOUND COOL.

Instead of deflecting away from my data and trying to discredit the messenger.... (how utterly predictable and lame).... why don't you just look up the parameters of what constitutes a "live birth" in the USA and Europe.

Prove me wrong..... take your time.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

Semantics. Arbitrary and hollow definitions cannot be used as justification for larger claims .

that means you must have looked it up.....

hardly a thing to impale yourself upon...... a curious choice.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

I couldn't help myself. I already did the post on your numbers. The parameters are not what that guy made them out to be. They may not count them in the 'infant' category but they still get counted in other categories. And they are still lower in all of them.

Just because a baby is born underweight does not mean that it gets discarded and uncounted. It is just the way that they do the numbers, which are still lower in the other categories (neonatal, prenatal, ect).

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Incorrect..... the TOTALS of births are just that... the TOTALS.... they aren't 'tucked" away somewhere else.

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)

Nope. As much as you'd like them to be, the numbers aren't skewed. Our health care system is abysmal compared to our economic standing in the world. It must be fixed.

I just had a conversation the other day with an 18 year old student who was diagnosed with cervical cancer - no insurance. She was on her father's and he lost his job. Now that she's diagnosed, no one will cover her. She is uninsurable. If we have nationalized health care, the government would step is, as should happen. An 18 year old with cervical cancer should NOT be systematically denied treatment because of greedy insurance companies.

U.S. Life Expectancy Hits All-Time High—Deaths All-Time Low

By: Madeline Ellis
Published: Friday, 21 August 2009


Americans may not be living as long as the Japanese, whose estimated life span is 83 years, but we are gaining ground. According to a new report by CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, average life expectancy in the U.S. hit a record high of 77.9 years in 2007, the latest year that data from death certificates has been compiled. Both men and women set new records, with life expectancy now 75.3 years for men and 80.4 years for women. And, for the first time, life expectancy for black males reached 70 years.

The increase in mortality can be attributed to a drop in death rates. The number of deaths in the U.S. in 2007 was 2,423,995, a 2,269 decrease from 2006. And the overall death rate fell to a record low of 760 deaths per 100,000 people, 2.1 percent lower than the 2006 rate of 776.5. This marks the eighth consecutive year the mortality rate has fallen, and is half of what it was 60 years ago (1532.0 in 1947).


Sounds like we're doing terrible......also why your friends case while sad, is anecdotal and policies can't be based on those parameters. We have the finest health care in the world. The Govt. already spends more on health care RIGHT NOW than Canada spends on it's socialized system. We just need to streamline what we already have. Handing over something as important as your health to inept govt. employees is nonsensical. The govt. runs EVERY program it has into debt....every one. These same promises were made with SS, medicare, medicaid.... all broken promises. Yah, let's do it again.... The politicians will keep everything honest...... let's all go to Disneyland....wee!!!

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You haven't countered nothing, because the points you made are not valid, you are basing your counter on information you don't understand, regardless the accuracy of the information, because it does not state what you are saying.. (Brazko)