just read this whole thread and lots to discuss, but I still see people confused over the big deal with the birth certificate.

So what if he was not born in America? so what if he was not? well if he was not then HE CAN"T BE PRESIDENT. The constitution simply states that the President MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.. Specifically article 2 section 1 paragraph 5 "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." So now you understand why its so important that he be found a citizen and not from Kenya or something, cuz then Biden is president and Obama would go to Prison for fraud!! Get it now?

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i agree. i'm a "righty" i suppose. but fuck fox news, fuck cnn. fuck the television. i do my own damn news coverage lol
and i've noticed ur pro-progresive (or it seems). i would be however, government gets more currupt the more progresive it becomes... sad.. but true *single tear*

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I got it all along. Its a bullshit arguement. McCain was born outside the US and he is still a citizen. Obama is a US citizen, anything else is tin foil hat stuff.. Come on people see thru the propaganda here...

Obama has refused to show a birth certificate. he's only shown a certificate of live birth (not a certificate)

and he's hired 3 lawfirms and spent upwards of $800,000 to conceal his birth records.

so whatever "propoganda" you're asking people to see through, I surely don't get it

and mccain was born to 2 US citizens, making him a legal US citizen regardless of where he was born

he also displayed his certificate when asked to

Isn't Obama's mom a citizen (from Kansas, I believe). Therefore, Obama's a citizen, regardless of where he was born. It's quite simple really.

propaganda is obama standing on TV for a hour talking about his 17 billion dollars worth of budget cuts ..out of a unprecidented 3.6 trillion dollars budget not to include bail outs and cost over rides.
and then the news media reports all over the place the good news of the 17 bil in cuts..what a fucking joke the media is.

propaganda is also when the economy loses 530 jobs in a month and it is painted as wonderfull fucking news because it was predicted we were going to lose 600K jobs in the month of april.
and the government hired 80 K census takers.

yea..tell me all about propaganda.
it is spread by the news media on a daily basis.
did you know obama has hired at least 8 people from the white house press corp to be on his staff..so much for non biased news coverage.i dont normaly watch the news. but when i do its fox news..they are the only ones who report any semblence of what we would call news.

the problem with the news media is the unions that control them.
unions are the ruination of the country.

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everything i print write or show on here is a complete and utter lie..i cant help myself i am a terminal liar..all of this shit is just fiction and made up for entertainment purposes ONLY..

It's not quite simple and you obviously have no trouble posting about things you know NOTHING about.

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notice how i said "citizenS"...as in 2 (parents). where's his dad from? ...ok then

you're right it really IS quite simple....my lord though, do I have to take your hand and walk you through my arguments? lol

bottom line- he never displayed a birth certificate- a requirement for all presidents. as far as I'm concerned, this is one big hoax, he aint MY damn president...i either hear A. jokes or B. rhetoric out of this guy at any given moment...just another bullshit politician full of empty promises and lies. If you see the "change" in his campaign, feel free to call me out on it

...until then i'll call it how i see it while everybody else continues their cheerleading drills..."yes we can!" lol

Just in time for April Fool's Day,Frontpage Magazine's Andrew Walden has a post up, beseeching at long last his fellow travelers to cease promulgating one of the more ornate and insane conspiracy theories about Barack Obama:

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

What Walden is describing is the so-called "Birther" movement, of people who believe that Obama is not an American citizen. You see, by their thinking, a elaborate conspiracy and cover-up has been staged by Obama's parents, various foreigners, state and federal officials, and any number of bureaucrats to make it seem like Barack Obama is an American citizen when actually he is not.
Then, the members of this strange cabal, having pulled off their diabolical trick, sat back for a number of decades, in the hopes that Obama might one day run for president. It's the perfect crime, obviously. For an added challenge, they gave Obama the middle name "Hussein" - betting that decades later, the United States would install a dictator in Iraq by that name and then, even later, go to war with that guy, twice! I tell you, it's genius.
So it's nice to see someone, anyone, strongly inveighing against this nonsense. But if you look closely, what Walden is actually doing is substituting an utterly insane conspiracy theory with a thunderously obtuse one:

By refusing media requests for a look at the actual paper birth certificate, Obama's campaign gave sly backhanded assistance to the forgery hype. The internet release of the birth certificate via hyper-partisan website Daily Kos on June 12 before posting it on a campaign website was likely calculated to fuel the frenzy. This is Obama's Gramscian strategy designed to redirect the opposition down a blind alley. It was so successful that Hawai'i government offices found themselves inundated with telephone calls from mainland voters in the days before the November 4 election.

Ahh, you see! This whole annoying "Birther" phenomenon happened PRECISELY AT THE MOMENT OBAMA PLANNED IT, so he could...uhm...tie up some phones in Hawaii? Because Hawaiian government officials would have prevented a "Granscian strategy designed to redirect the opposition down a blind alley," where presumably all the "many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances," would have actually been raised.
Leaving aside the fact that all of those supposed alliances were raised, repeatedly, by the media, over and over and over and over again (to the point that the reason McCain didn't raise them again was simply because their campaign, so bent on winning the news cycle, wouldn't have derived any benefit from picking over old news), there was another way this cunning Obama stratagem could have been foiled: EVERYONE COULD HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY REASONABLE ABOUT OBAMA'S OBVIOUSLY LEGAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Walden concludes his piece by saying, "It is time for folks to stop being played by the Obama campaign and drop this counter productive 'phony birth certificate' nonsense." And next year at this time, he can call on people to drop this counter productive "Obama manipulated the phony birth certificate nonsense" nonsense.

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