I must say that i am completly appauled at what i'm reading. From arguing over mccain/obama to the links to heavley biased writings - 'Socialized Healthcare vs. The Laws of Economics' posted by a member named 'theawfultruth' or something, and people with george bush as their avatar?!?!?. I thought my first post woulld be of my journal, but I have to protest this thread. As marijuana users we should know better.

As far as obama/mccain goes who cares. There is barely any difference between them (except obama not being a republican hence 'lesser evil'), any of them would bail the banks and corporations out, that's how the system works now, you can't expect a president to go against the flow, otherwise he/she would never had gotten the funding from the rich to fund a half billion campaign to the win the election in the first place. The president does not rule the system, and cannot simply change it.

In the matter of socialised healthcare, in britain (uh-oh he's not a real human being he's not american), instead of paying private insurance we pay national insurance. Any profits go back in the system, no-one gets rich off healthcare. Surely if american healthcare is doing well it can do well for the nation as opposed to a series of wealthy people that the masses dispise. Equality and solidarity are more valiable than lower taxes at the expense of 1/6 of the population being without care.

Most of the world has national healthcare for these reasons, you have to decide if you want private or national insurance, and don't think that private companies run healthcare better, and are more caring about your plight than the government, we are the government, we need democracy in these matters, wealthy people we are not. Remember that the market is amoral.

Finally, if you skimmed through this shaking your head, try listening to the likes of Noam Chomsky from M.I.T. Watch 'manufacturing of consent' or anything by Adam Curtis.

Please address the issues, not the spelling mistakes or the way my post is written.

So you're saying you support the health care plan? I'm not sure where you stand from that statement.

I agree with all presidents being tools, with the exception of J.F.K. (non Free Mason) and they killed him for it.

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Operation 420, let's not change the subject, but you should be careful discussing masonary, as there is a danger that you might apply it to everything. Like god, masonary can be used to explain what we do not understand. The truth is available, and it isn't as simple as 'because masons wanted it to happen'.

Also i am amazed that you are unsure of my stance on healthcare. I will not simply tell you...

Nothing wrong with the free masons.Most of our early founding fathers belonged to them.

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Will we let Ignorance and Laziness Bring our Demise

God if I didn't love Dan Browns books I would kill him. Seriously now people are using illuminati and free masons as the boogie man?

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Well, you use other nations national health care as an example. When those same people are coming to America to get health care.

Free Masons have been in positions of power for centuries. Why wouldn't I link them to what is happening now? The banks, Free Masons, N.W.O., Illuminati, Templars, Skull and Bones etc.. It's all the same thing.

To respond to the highlighted statement. How is it dangerous? Do you know something I don't know?

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Figments of imagination?

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“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Einstein

Too late, subject changed. Firstly you suggest that people go to america for private healthcare. This really isn't a fact. In britain and in other the countries i have vistited there is still private healthcare. These services can be used, if there is any arguement as to the quality of services by yourself or others, of the care provided by the Nation Health Service. However, tying in with other subjects in this thread, these busineses are subsidised by the government in all counties anyway, socialised, like the private company bailouts i mentioned in my post. The services you speak of, which foreigners my travel to the U.S for, are new and experimental treatments which are not covered by national health OR private insurance. Payments must be made for these treatments either way. Do not insult the NHS so readily, you have been misinformed.

As for masonary let us stop discussing it, if you'd could even call it a discussion. It is an insult to our intelligence. The only articulate argument we could make from masonary is 'masons did it, because they're all mansonary' Did i say articulate?

Only in your case.

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"I get bummed when I run out of weed. Marijuana cures that." ~ Ron White

True, perception is reality.

If you see a unicorn, it is reality. But it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to not think you are halucinating.

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“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Einstein