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    What ails the U.S. health care system and how to fix it.

    One of the biggest myths about health care is that more is always better. Perhaps nowhere is this more evident than in the United States, which offers a cautionary tale for other countries seeking health care reform -- including those in Europe looking across the Atlantic for inspiration. The American people spent nearly $2.1 trillion on health care in 2006 -- more than was spent on food -- yet Americans aren't exceptionally healthy or long-lived as a result. They have shorter life expectancies than people in Western Europe, Canada and Japan and are no less hindered by disease than their counterparts in other developed countries.

    In spite of all this spending, nearly 47 million Americans have no health insurance, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. And here's another irony: Although insured people often feel they receive too little medical attention, many are actually getting too much in the form of unneeded tests and treatments. This "overtreatment" is at the root of America's health care woes, according to medical journalist Shannon Brownlee, author of the upcoming book Overtreated: Why Too Much Medicine is Making Us Sicker and Poorer. Brownlee contends that up to a third of health care dollars in the U.S are wasted on unnecessary care that doesn't improve people's health -- and may even endanger it.

    A study of nearly a million Medicare patients (older Americans who receive government-funded health insurance) provides a compelling example of how too much care can cause harm. Medicare patients treated at hospitals that did the most tests and treatment and spent the most money were up to 6 percent more likely to die than patients at hospitals spending the least. In short, more spending, more hospitalization, more technology and more drugs do not necessarily equal better health care.

    Why do doctors and hospitals provide too much care in the first place? They are stuck in a dysfunctional system driven by money. Doctors get paid for how much care they deliver -- not how well they take care of their patients. Meanwhile, hospitals are pressured to recoup the expensive investments they've made in pricey technologies and specialists. This means the more care doctors and hospitals provide, the more money they make.

    Much of what doctors do is prescribe medications, some of which help save lives, like insulin for diabetics and cyclosporine for organ-transplant patients. But when it comes to medications, doctors are increasingly under the sway of drug companies. Brownlee observes that the pharmaceutical industry now foots the bill for at least 80 percent of clinical research (formerly funded by the federal government) and underwrites 90 percent of continuing medical education, wielding unprecedented influence over the content of medical journals and what doctors do and don't know about drugs.

    When money drives every aspect of health care, from doctors to hospitals to the pushing of dangerous -- and often inadequately tested -- drugs, what can be done? Brownlee finds inspiration and solutions in one of the most unlikely places: the Veteran's Health Administration (VHA). A horrific shambles in the mid-1990s, the VHA has been transformed over the past decade into a model of effective, affordable and humane care. Today the agency, which cares for military veterans -- including many of America's oldest, poorest and sickest patients -- outperforms most other U.S. health-care institutions at a little more than half the cost per person. The VHA's prescription-accuracy rate is 99.9 percent and it has a lower rate of hospital-acquired infections than most other health-care institutions in the U.S.

    In 1994, Kenneth W. Kizer took over the VHA as undersecretary for health. He introduced new information technology that helped lower rates of drug error and infections, while reducing unnecessary care. VHA doctors are encouraged to choose drugs carefully, based on scientific evidence rather than slick marketing, a step that has reduced costs and unneeded prescriptions. And patients report a high rate of satisfaction.

    The perfect system may not exist, but the VHA story suggests that effective, affordable and compassionate health care -- publicly funded, no less -- isn't a pipe dream, but an achievable reality. Patients, policymakers and anyone concerned about the future of health care around the world would do well to read Brownlee's book.

    Shannon Brownlee's book, Overtreated: Why Too Much Medicine is Making Us Sicker and Poorer (Bloomsbury), will be out in September.
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    I recieve VA health care and am quite satisfied. I also have HPN a Nevada HMO that costs me 255.00 a mo and is mainly used by my wife who is diabetic and must have adequate health care. Her medical is through a teamster retirement fund or would cost well over 1,000 a mo. She pays 10.00 a dr visit and 40.00 a specialist visit, 7.00 for perscriptions. I pay 3.00 per Dr. visit, 10.00 per specialist, and 5.00 per script. I also have medicare so thats the difference in co-pays. I feel the VA is more interested in my health than the HMO so I use them primarily for my meds and preventative medicine needs. I use the HMO for emergency visits and minor things like colds and such. If we were to institute a comprehensive medical plan similar to the VA system for all citizens, I'm pretty sure by cutting out all the middle men and insurance co.s, we could afford it without huge tax increases. It is the HMO and Insurance lobbys that prevent this from happening.
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    Wait ... you forgot to mention the attorneys and their frivolous law suits. You know, sleazy scum-bag lawyers like John Edwards.

    Oh ... and do I remember a post by you, Med, about how Bush was making a shambles out of the VA medical system? Hmmm ... yes, there's something tucked away behind a brain cell I think.

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    47 million Uninsured Americans is unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViRedd View Post
    Wait ... you forgot to mention the attorneys and their frivolous law suits. You know, sleazy scum-bag lawyers like John Edwards.

    Oh ... and do I remember a post by you, Med, about how Bush was making a shambles out of the VA medical system? Hmmm ... yes, there's something tucked away behind a brain cell I think.

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    Those unused braincells in your case, make you out to be an ass, something you have in common with all your right wing friends, assdom, I realize you can't help it, so I can't hold you accountable for it, but nonetheless I find it rather annoying. You have the uncanny ability to annoy everytime you post. Just negative drivel about what someone else has posted. Yes I did mention the fact that Bush was cutting funding to the VA and He has beeen doing just that. so far it has not affected my coverage, but it has made getting new benefits much more difficult IE new veterans have a harder time getting benefits and that includes some Iraq Veterans. Did you know that National Guard soldiers are not entitled to VA health care. Once discharged, they are on their own. How'd you like to be a National guard soldier with debilitating war wounds and told to go fly a kite? So keep your snide remarks about my VA treatment to yourself sir.
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    Med sez ...

    "Did you know that National Guard soldiers are not entitled to VA health care. Once discharged, they are on their own."

    If true, Med, this would be a travisty. Do you have a credible link? I mean, something from VA guidelines that I can read?

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    i can promise you that the single biggest health care problem we have in our country is greed.

    are the pharmaceutical companies greedy? no, they are profit driven just like any living organism is, but they donate billions to 3rd world countries and their execs are paid nothing compared to the salaries of telecomm, auto, and other giant industry execs.

    are the doctors greedy? they spent at least 4 years in college, many spend 5 or 6 to get a post-grad degree before applying to med school. they go to med school for 4-6 years and then work for less money than the average secretary for one to two years while paying for huge student loans. yes, they chose a lucrative field but it's also a field that's about people and improving lives.

    who's left then?

    patients, lawyers and insurance companies - but not the ones you think.

    patients in the USA are spoiled, arrogant people who believe that medicine is a product. they feel like they are customers entitled to the cheapest, fastest and best of everything. unfortunately, medicine can not solve every problem and doctors are not perfect. mistakes are made, lives change or may even come to an end. as though they are returning a defective item to a store patients or their families demand big money to compensate for any medical errors, no matter how unavoidable or accidental they were.

    lawyers are quick to exploit any tragic circumstance; building millions of dollars of wealth from the suffering of others. these lawyers make so much money ruining our medical system that you will often see TV ads soliciting your calls to report anything they might be able to latch onto and sue someone for. this pressure has forced doctors to be overly cautious. almost any medical complaint, such as fatigue or even tiredness, will result in an admission to the hospital for observation and an exhaustive round of expensive tests. doctors are in CYA mode 24x7!

    medical liability insurance companies often headed by former trial lawyers and with a board that's always infested with lawyers, these companies lobby hard to balance the government requirements for liability insurance with the lack of tort reform. they profit from charging doctors huge fees to insure their practice and protect them from the "other" lawyers, who tend to be very close most of the time. by using the government, these companies have forced their way into the medical world and began pillaging the trust and high ethics that made American medicine the best in the world for so long.



    people need to stop blaming our medical system for the current state of affairs because it's not only dishonest, it's not going to solve any of the problems we're facing. by not paying attention to the reality here we are pushing the best medicine on earth into the hands of the professional liars in D.C. and that's going to wind up hurting really bad. our government is not the solution, we are.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 7xstall View Post
    i can promise you that the single biggest health care problem we have in our country is greed.

    are the pharmaceutical companies greedy? no, they are profit driven just like any living organism is,??????? What the fuck???? but they donate billions to 3rd world countries and their execs are paid nothing compared to the salaries of telecomm, auto, and other giant industry execs.

    are the doctors greedy?Some are, Not all. they spent at least 4 years in college, many spend 5 or 6 to get a post-grad degree before applying to med school. they go to med school for 4-6 years and then work for less money than the average secretary for one to two years while paying for huge student loans. yes, they chose a lucrative field but it's also a field that's about people and improving lives.

    who's left then?

    patients, lawyers and insurance companies - but not the ones you think.

    patients in the USA are spoiled, arrogant people who believe that medicine is a product. they feel like they are customers entitled to the cheapest, fastest and best of everything. unfortunately, medicine can not solve every problem and doctors are not perfect. mistakes are made, lives change or may even come to an end. as though they are returning a defective item to a store patients or their families demand big money to compensate for any medical errors, no matter how unavoidable or accidental they were.

    lawyers are quick to exploit any tragic circumstance; building millions of dollars of wealth from the suffering of others. these lawyers make so much money ruining our medical system that you will often see TV ads soliciting your calls to report anything they might be able to latch onto and sue someone for.( Maybe with a not for profit Med system, single payer government run, they would not be allowed to sue. Australia has a system whereby every citizen pays a small portion of their taxes into a pot that funds a medical recovery fund for medical mistakes with maximum payouts, would eliminate most lawyers don't you think?) this pressure has forced doctors to be overly cautious. almost any medical complaint, such as fatigue or even tiredness, will result in an admission to the hospital for observation and an exhaustive round of expensive tests. doctors are in CYA mode 24x7!

    medical liability insurance companies often headed by former trial lawyers( These would be eliminated and replaced with a board of Dr.s to review cases and adjudicate compensation based on the facts in the case) and with a board that's always infested with lawyers, these companies lobby hard to balance the government requirements for liability insurance with the lack of tort reform. they profit from charging doctors huge fees to insure their practice and protect them from the "other" lawyers, who tend to be very close most of the time. by using the government, these companies have forced their way into the medical world and began pillaging the trust and high ethics that made American medicine the best in the world for so long.



    people need to stop blaming our medical system for the current state of affairs because it's not only dishonest,( It is extremely dishonest, The for profit HMOs) it's not going to solve any of the problems we're facing. by not paying attention to the reality here we are pushing the best medicine on earth into the hands of the professional liars in D.C. and that's going to wind up hurting really bad. our government is not the solution, we are. Like what, we are going to all be rich and can afford the same medical our congressmen have, I don't think so?




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    Man, I've never known anyone that can spin like you, 7X. That is most likely the largest pile of crap you have ever posted on this site. keep it up, you're headind towards Bush spin territory. It is precisely the greed of the HMOs and Big Pharma that controls the high prices of our medical systems. I don't hold all Dr.s accountable for greed, but there are a few that run clinics that are more interested in duckets than health care. The HMOs that refuse life saving operations are a real benefit to man, eh? you must be drinkin the koolaid or else you work for one of these atrocities. We need a not-for-profit health care similar to what all the other first world countries have. I'm sure we could make a workable system that would work for all but the greediest assholes, and fuck them, may they rot in hell.
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    I believe the US health care system is still better than Cuba's.
    I think government oversight of health-care providers is proper, but providing heath care would be a nightmare. You people who complain about the government now, just imagine the problems and red tape if the government was in charge of all your health care. And for you security minded paranoids, hows another government database on all its residents sound?

    Regarding government-run anything: how have your experiences been?
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    If you saw the film "sicko" you would see the US are barbarians when it comes to health care .... here profit outweights life .... in the country with universal health care the welfare of the patient comes first .... you don't have to choose between eating and getting your meds in those country or worry about how to pay for any kind of medical proceedure .... People in those countries live longer than Americans ... in those countries people don't die because they can't afford a medical proceedure .....
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