Thank you.

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FYI, 11 of 13 original colonies agreed to abolish slavery in the original declaration of independence...


here's an excerpt from the original draft

--he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.--

'He' refers to king george. 2 states didnt agree with this so it was taken out in order to quickly get a finished draft out.

Some how that wouldn't surprise me... the original draft was written by Jefferson, and then butchered by the Continental Congress (much like the Articles of Confederation were butchered to create the Constitution.)

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Yeah, We are blessed with one of the most perfect human documents ever created even with its flaws it is near perfect. The worst thing about it is the way it is translated for us. When people in power tell us we are not qualified to interpret the constitution, God that chaps me. Its not freakin' rocket science its very simple.

And the constitution was a rewrite of the articals of confederation. That is why I fear a new constitutional convetion. They can say oh its only to correct this or that. But once they have a Con-Con they can totally re-write the constitution, and with this bunch of leftists and neo-cons running around hell no don't give them the chance.

As for Christ: Would you say if the church came to your home kicked in your door and dragged you off to prison for not paying your tith that would be OK? Church wouldn't do that would they? No, because Church wants you to GIVE they don't want to take (as a rule) Government wants to take. I fail to understand why people do not get this, is it not a simple consept to grasp? Taxation is not charity it doesn't teach you about giving. Indeed, Taxation has nothing to do with Charity and everything to do with force and violence.

The sole enemy of the above is the: I/Ego/Id which runs rampant in the current societies on planet earth.
You may have a point here, but what would you do? Have government ban "I/Ego/Id" that will go over like a lead ballon. Why not try freedom and let people learn this themselves. Native Americans know this, Christians (who read the bible, instead of letting others read it for them) know this, hell everyone knows this. But it only has value if done willingly without force.

eminent domain means the government is stealing.
you need to learn who the real thiefs are

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The largest Hummer he could find. Jesus spent a lot of time in the desert and had twelve disciples to haul around.

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Ilkan, I converse with you because even though you have views from the right, you have the ability to listen. Something lacking in most of the righties on this site. Christ said " give unto cearsar what is ceasars "(meaning taxes) and give unto God what is Gods, meaning your spirit. He never said to fight the government over taxes. He knew that taxes were something needed to help the poor and keep the government services going. He knew/knows the evils of government/corporations. Taxes are a part of living in a society. I don't agree with all of them or their amounts, and I certainly don't agree with most of what they are spent on. The insane military/industrial complex spends way too much on the war machine. If I were running things, I'd set up a good defense, end foriegn aid, (Except for disaster relief) and cut taxes in half, fire about 90% of the big brass and the military contractors and put some programs for citizens in place, like universal health care. But I'm not in charge so all I can do is vote. I voted for Obama and am waiting to see what this gifted man can do. I hope he is not a sellout like all that came before

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good thread so far.

totally agree, it's amazing how much we are contracting out. "iraq for sale" is a great documentary about that.

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Thanks for respecting me enouph to talk to me like a human Med I do appresiate it.

I don't have a problem with taxation per se I have a problem with income taxes. I see them as much as a control mechanism as a money maker. Now you want to toll me at bridges fine. You want a set tax on Gas for roads thats cool. You want to tax a corperation to pay for the military fine. That is all constitutional and indeed right IMO. But to just take your money, your private property, because government thinks you have some obligation to pay, No. Taxes are not charity they are force.

I don't think taxes should be used to redistribute wealth. That is to take from one group to give to another. I think the government should be impartial. It should be there to provide a service like roads, bridges, aquaducts and the military. It should be there to protect your freedom. Not your dental health. I think if you want social security fine but let me choose to take part or not to. I don't want to be a douche I just want to be free.