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Old 04-27-2009, 05:43 AM
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yes it is going to happen...Britain is going to put its people under the internet microscope. I wonder what they will find.... Read on...

Plan to monitor all internet use

By Dominic Casciani
BBC News home affairs reporter


Communications firms are being asked to record all internet contacts between people as part of a modernisation in UK police surveillance tactics.
The home secretary scrapped plans for a database but wants details to be held and organised for security services.
The new system would track all e-mails, phone calls and internet use, including visits to social network sites.
Ministers say police need new tools to fight crime but opposition MPs and campaigners have raised privacy fears.
Announcing a consultation on a new strategy for communications data and its use in law enforcement, Jacqui Smith said there would be no single government-run database.
"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers and paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime"
Jacqui Smith
Home Secretary



But she also said that "doing nothing" in the face of a communications revolution was not an option.
The Home Office will instead ask communications companies - from internet service providers to mobile phone networks - to extend the range of information they currently hold on their subscribers and organise it so that it can be better used by the police, MI5 and other public bodies investigating crime and terrorism.
Ministers say they estimate the project will cost £2bn to set up, which includes some compensation to the communications industry for the work it may be asked to do.
"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers, paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," Ms Smith said.
"Advances in communications mean that there are ever more sophisticated ways to communicate and we need to ensure that we keep up with the technology being used by those who seek to do us harm.
"It is essential that the police and other crime fighting agencies have the tools they need to do their job, However to be clear, there are absolutely no plans for a single central store."
'Contact not content'
Communication service providers (CSPs) will be asked to record internet contacts between people, but not the content, similar to the existing arrangements to log telephone contacts.
REASONS TO CHANGE WHAT CAN BE KEPT

  • More communication via computers rather than phones
  • Companies won't always keep all data all the time
  • Anonymity online masks criminal identities
  • More online services provided from abroad
  • Data held in many locations and difficult to find
Source: Home Office consultation
But, recognising that the internet has changed the way people talk, the CSPs will also be asked to record some third party data or information partly based overseas, such as visits to an online chatroom and social network sites like Facebook or Twitter.
Security services could then seek to examine this data along with information which links it to specific devices, such as a mobile phone, home computer or other device, as part of investigations into criminal suspects.
The plan expands a voluntary arrangement under which CSPs allow security services to access some data which they already hold.
The security services already deploy advanced techniques to monitor telephone conversations or intercept other communications, but this is not used in criminal trials.
Ms Smith said that while the new system could record a visit to a social network, it would not record personal and private information such as photos or messages posted to a page.
"What we are talking about is who is at one end [of a communication] and who is at the other - and how they are communicating," she said.
Existing legal safeguards under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act would continue to apply. Requests to see the data would require top level authorisation within a public body such as a police force. The Home Office is running a separate consultation on limiting the number of public authorities that can access sensitive information or carry out covert surveillance.
'Orwellian'
Liberal Democrats last year dubbed suggestions of a giant database "Orwellian" - and Ms Smith said she recognised the civil liberty concerns.





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yes it is going to happen...Britain is going to put its people under the internet microscope. I wonder what they will find.... Read on...

Plan to monitor all internet use

By Dominic Casciani
BBC News home affairs reporter


Communications firms are being asked to record all internet contacts between people as part of a modernisation in UK police surveillance tactics.
The home secretary scrapped plans for a database but wants details to be held and organised for security services.
The new system would track all e-mails, phone calls and internet use, including visits to social network sites.
Ministers say police need new tools to fight crime but opposition MPs and campaigners have raised privacy fears.
Announcing a consultation on a new strategy for communications data and its use in law enforcement, Jacqui Smith said there would be no single government-run database.
"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers and paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime"
Jacqui Smith
Home Secretary



But she also said that "doing nothing" in the face of a communications revolution was not an option.
The Home Office will instead ask communications companies - from internet service providers to mobile phone networks - to extend the range of information they currently hold on their subscribers and organise it so that it can be better used by the police, MI5 and other public bodies investigating crime and terrorism.
Ministers say they estimate the project will cost £2bn to set up, which includes some compensation to the communications industry for the work it may be asked to do.
"Communications data is an essential tool for law enforcement agencies to track murderers, paedophiles, save lives and tackle crime," Ms Smith said.
"Advances in communications mean that there are ever more sophisticated ways to communicate and we need to ensure that we keep up with the technology being used by those who seek to do us harm.
"It is essential that the police and other crime fighting agencies have the tools they need to do their job, However to be clear, there are absolutely no plans for a single central store."
'Contact not content'
Communication service providers (CSPs) will be asked to record internet contacts between people, but not the content, similar to the existing arrangements to log telephone contacts.
REASONS TO CHANGE WHAT CAN BE KEPT

  • More communication via computers rather than phones
  • Companies won't always keep all data all the time
  • Anonymity online masks criminal identities
  • More online services provided from abroad
  • Data held in many locations and difficult to find
Source: Home Office consultation
But, recognising that the internet has changed the way people talk, the CSPs will also be asked to record some third party data or information partly based overseas, such as visits to an online chatroom and social network sites like Facebook or Twitter.
Security services could then seek to examine this data along with information which links it to specific devices, such as a mobile phone, home computer or other device, as part of investigations into criminal suspects.
The plan expands a voluntary arrangement under which CSPs allow security services to access some data which they already hold.
The security services already deploy advanced techniques to monitor telephone conversations or intercept other communications, but this is not used in criminal trials.
Ms Smith said that while the new system could record a visit to a social network, it would not record personal and private information such as photos or messages posted to a page.
"What we are talking about is who is at one end [of a communication] and who is at the other - and how they are communicating," she said.
Existing legal safeguards under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act would continue to apply. Requests to see the data would require top level authorisation within a public body such as a police force. The Home Office is running a separate consultation on limiting the number of public authorities that can access sensitive information or carry out covert surveillance.
'Orwellian'
Liberal Democrats last year dubbed suggestions of a giant database "Orwellian" - and Ms Smith said she recognised the civil liberty concerns.





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Some how... I'm not surprised

I mean they already have f* cameras everywhere monitoring what they do in the physical context. How can it be any surprise that the government (Socialist) wants to monitor everything they do in an electronic context?
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Yes, I wonder if Alexander Bell saw this as an inevitability? Can you imagine if upon HIS discovery, the Govt. reaction would have been, "wait a minute, how can we monitor what everyone is saying"!

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Safe and bored out of their fucking mind because they feel like they are shrink wrapped and put in a little airless bubble where they get to look out at the world and wonder how much fun it would be to actually be allowed to be individuals instead of State-owned cogs designed only to increase the wealth of the bureaucrats. At least the ones that aren't busy living in the little lie that rivals the fictional lie of the Matrix in the movie of the same name.
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I lived in a world where my sixth-grade teacher insisted that every boy in his class had a pocket knife on him at all times ... and knew how to sharpen it on the oil stone that was kept in the corner. He's ask to see your knife and you'd better be able to produce it. He'd try to shave the hair on his arm with your knife, and if he couldn't do it, he'd sent you over to the oil stone with the comment ... "a dull knife, is a dangerous knife!"

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I lived in a world where my sixth-grade teacher insisted that every boy in his class had a pocket knife on him at all times ... and knew how to sharpen it on the oil stone that was kept in the corner. He's ask to see your knife and you'd better be able to produce it. He'd try to shave the hair on his arm with your knife, and if he couldn't do it, he'd send you over to the oil stone with the comment ... "a dull knife, is a dangerous knife!"

Now, we have third-graders being expelled for just pointing a finger and saying bang-bang.

Hey Med ... tell us again how the cost of freedom is taxation.

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Now, we have third-graders being expelled for just pointing a finger and saying bang-bang.

Hey Med ... tell us again how the cost of freedom is taxation.

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