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Old 03-16-2009, 02:29 PM
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Yeah I agree, in nature that is how it WOULD be, however that isn't how it works in the modern society....and it isn't true that laziness has any corrolation to wealth....

Now people of ALL classes and social backgrounds enjoy different things....

When you say 'laziness' what do you actually mean?
You know, that's a good question...

I don't really have a conceptualization of Laziness.

Perhaps what I should have said is that I don't think that any one should be allowed to steal from any one else, because that's a denial of another person's Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

Maybe, I'm giving your idea a knee jerk reaction (of course I still don't particularly like it, but I'll try keeping an open mind.)

How would your system reward excellence?

How would your system reward the Henry Fords, Carnegies, Gates, Dells, Einsteins, Edisons, Teslas, Franklins, Jeffersons, Washingtons, Jacksons, Wrights, and etc?

What kind of rewards would people that come up with idea that enhance civilization by great bounds be rewarded?
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Excellence is it's own reward.

Quite a few of those people you named there aren't excellent...Gates basically exploited someone elses idea for a lot of money...repeatedly...

As did Henry ford to a degree.

'Einsteins, Edisons, Teslas, Franklins, Jeffersons, Washingtons, Jacksons, Wrights, and etc'

None of them were in it for the Money, their acts were for their own sake.
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When some one does something their really proud of, they usually share it for free.

You do a painting or right a song you really love, you don't sell it, you give it away.

You do it for the love of it.
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I mean if you had a really great idea that you thought would benefit society loads...would you keep it to yourself?


Would you need some sort of reward?
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When some one does something their really proud of, they usually share it for free.

You do a painting or right a song you really love, you don't sell it, you give it away.

You do it for the love of it.
Aight, that doesn't answer the question...

I really don't think that Edison bought into that BS...

He went on to found several electric companies.

There's a reason why patent laws exist.

So where was I...

Ahh, yes, No thanks, Not Interested, you can keep it in Europe.
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Aight, that doesn't answer the question...

I really don't think that Edison bought into that BS...

He went on to found several electric companies.

There's a reason why patent laws exist.

So where was I...

Ahh, yes, No thanks, Not Interested, you can keep it in Europe.
lol, ok then when everyone else is sharing their idea's and improving the world together, you can stay in your cave with your 'Great Idea'...I'm sure we'll really miss out.
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lol, ok then when everyone else is sharing their idea's and improving the world together, you can stay in your cave with your 'Great Idea'...I'm sure we'll really miss out.
You can still keep your global resource based economy in Europe.

The last thing I want is some organization responsible for tracking my every move, how much food I've consumed, and how much shit I've flushed down a toilet.
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This sounds like Global democracy to me. Sounds great, in theory. Democracy is the most insideous form of totalitarianism. Majority rules, Minority is bound by the will of the Majority. You said that this would control all "Land, Food, Housing, Tools and Labour." How would this be controled, Democraticly? So If I refused to go along with the ruling of the majority they could just take my Land, Food, Housing, Tools and Labour?? Or are we just saying I have no Land, Food, Housing, Tools or Labour except that granted to me for the greater good of mankind? What Rights would I have to protect myself from the will of the Majority? I don't like the Idea of Global Governance on any level, period. Because when It messes up where can you run from it?

You and I agree about bankers. But bankers are the biggest Globalists their are. They don't care who makes the Laws or what the laws are, as long as they monopolize the money supply. Thats the Key, Money isn't bad its just a thing that is used to facilitate trade. It is when people debase/debauch the money supply that problems occure. If you oppose banker control of the world you should support monitary reform and a commodaties standered of some kind.

Honestly I think your living in a fantacy world people just don't work like this. We need money its a fact of life. (I hate money BTW) But no matter how you dress it up Communism is Communism it just doesn't work. I find it really desturbing how many people are so willing to give up on the free market because the Bankers broke it. Make no mistake they saw this coming they knew the market was in for a correction. Hell I knew it 3 years before it happened and I barely passes High School. So unless their 4 year degrees are worth less then the paper they are printed on they saw it coming, And did nothing. WHY?

Now if you wanted to set up a system say in a town to do this it might just pay off, it could work. But don't try to sadle the who damn world in your misguided utopia vision. World Governance is a bad idea look at the shinanigans politicians pull in one country imagine if they had the whole world as their playground.

Now the Idea is not without merit. I would like to have a second representative in every congressional district. That "rep." would be an online vote of the registered voters from that district. Or even do away with Representatives all together. You would have to sign a "terms of sevice" deal that says you have read and understand the bill before you vote on it. Stuff like the Patriot act would never have gotten through. You would have to give plenty of time for people to read the bill before they sign it. Unlike things like the Stimulous bill and the Patriot act where the reps where given 3-5 hourse to read 900-1000 page documents (and talk about a dry read). But it would also mean that Government would need to be much more honest and open in everything it does so the online vote can be made in an intellagent way.
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This sounds like Global democracy to me. Sounds great, in theory. Democracy is the most insideous form of totalitarianism. Majority rules, Minority is bound by the will of the Majority. You said that this would control all "Land, Food, Housing, Tools and Labour." How would this be controled, Democraticly? So If I refused to go along with the ruling of the majority they could just take my Land, Food, Housing, Tools and Labour?? Or are we just saying I have no Land, Food, Housing, Tools or Labour except that granted to me for the greater good of mankind? What Rights would I have to protect myself from the will of the Majority? I don't like the Idea of Global Governance on any level, period. Because when It messes up where can you run from it?

You and I agree about bankers. But bankers are the biggest Globalists their are. They don't care who makes the Laws or what the laws are, as long as they monopolize the money supply. Thats the Key, Money isn't bad its just a thing that is used to facilitate trade. It is when people debase/debauch the money supply that problems occure. If you oppose banker control of the world you should support monitary reform and a commodaties standered of some kind.

Honestly I think your living in a fantacy world people just don't work like this. We need money its a fact of life. (I hate money BTW) But no matter how you dress it up Communism is Communism it just doesn't work. I find it really desturbing how many people are so willing to give up on the free market because the Bankers broke it. Make no mistake they saw this coming they knew the market was in for a correction. Hell I knew it 3 years before it happened and I barely passes High School. So unless their 4 year degrees are worth less then the paper they are printed on they saw it coming, And did nothing. WHY?

Now if you wanted to set up a system say in a town to do this it might just pay off, it could work. But don't try to sadle the who damn world in your misguided utopia vision. World Governance is a bad idea look at the shinanigans politicians pull in one country imagine if they had the whole world as their playground.

Now the Idea is not without merit. I would like to have a second representative in every congressional district. That "rep." would be an online vote of the registered voters from that district. Or even do away with Representatives all together. You would have to sign a "terms of sevice" deal that says you have read and understand the bill before you vote on it. Stuff like the Patriot act would never have gotten through. You would have to give plenty of time for people to read the bill before they sign it. Unlike things like the Stimulous bill and the Patriot act where the reps where given 3-5 hourse to read 900-1000 page documents (and talk about a dry read). But it would also mean that Government would need to be much more honest and open in everything it does so the online vote can be made in an intellagent way.
I don't see why anyone would be BOUND to do anything in this system.... It would have work on Mutual Respect.

There would need to be basic parameters set just like in any system.... much like your constitution for example... but unlike a system controled by Men.... an open computer system could not be corrupted.

Human Life is the most important of all the resources we have and we need a system that supports this.... our current system does not.

You say that Communism is Communism, but communism LOOKS really good on paper. The main problem with recent communist systems is the oppressive nature with which they have been enforced, they have become REGIMES controlled by a CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT, which just like any other form of Government has become corrupted by it's own power and need for self perpeptuation.

Someone talked about a Pyramid, and that it fair of most current systems, however this system would work as a constantly changing and communicating SPHERE.

The beauty of this system is there is no obvious power points as all points on a sphere are equal.
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I don't see why anyone would be BOUND to do anything in this system.... It would have work on Mutual Respect.

There would need to be basic parameters set just like in any system.... much like your constitution for example... but unlike a system controled by Men.... an open computer system could not be corrupted.

Human Life is the most important of all the resources we have and we need a system that supports this.... our current system does not.

You say that Communism is Communism, but communism LOOKS really good on paper. The main problem with recent communist systems is the oppressive nature with which they have been enforced, they have become REGIMES controlled by a CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT, which just like any other form of Government has become corrupted by it's own power and need for self perpeptuation.

Someone talked about a Pyramid, and that it fair of most current systems, however this system would work as a constantly changing and communicating SPHERE.

The beauty of this system is there is no obvious power points as all points on a sphere are equal.

Perfect Spheres don't exist in reality.

Though the current system is more like a mountain range...

And like a mountain range it delivers incredible amounts of wealth.

The only thing I can think of that is spherical is a soccer ball, which is hollow, delivers nothing of value, and is the ball used in a sport for Girls.
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