How Do You Feel About Co-Ops? - Page 2

medicineman · #11 06-10-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

No, no, Med ... were talkin' extra fine snob pot here. You know, the kind that is perfectly cured, smells like lemons, smokes to a fine white ash, tastes like concord grape ... and looks like it just came out of the deep freeze. Now THAT'S the $500 an ounce kind. *lol*

Vi

Are you dissing my stash before you taste it? Now that's what I call predjudiced. I might have learned a thing or two. I'm not at all like you, when I make a mistake, I try and not repeat it. I try and learn from every source, even you. I listened to your advice on how to grow snob pot and read some more, read all the info I could get, balanced PH, nutrient levels, amount of light etc. Now I'm about to reap the bounty of my endeavor, I've cut the nutrients off, changed the mix to pure H20 and await the finalization of the buds. Maybe it'll only be worth 499 per oz, who knows, but I'll probably let my main guy have it for 200.00 an oz. With 5 ozs, thats a grand and a pretty good hobby. If you're comin to town give me a PM and I'll save you a bud.

fdd2blk · #12 06-10-2007, 07:09 PM

when a co-op has to pay $4000 a lb for medical grade marijuana then they have no choice but to sell it for 50+ an 1/8th. also why would a grower who is growing for profit sell a lb for $2000 when he can get $4000?

have you considered business license costs, rent on a building(when and if you can find one), insurance on your business(good luck on this one), employee payroll....

i used to feel the same way until i talked to a few owners.

ViRedd · #13 06-11-2007, 08:18 AM

Yep, its not all its cracked up to be. The Co-ops HAVE to offer the finest they can find. After all ... its intended for medical users. So, in order to offer the best, they have to pay for the best. Usually, that means the clubs pay from 3000 to 4000 a pound. The same thing applys to the edibiles and hash they offer as well. I bought one gram of hash from one of the San Diego clubs once ... it was some of the best hash I've ever had. It cost $35 a gram and was well worth it.

Med ... Have you converted over to RO water? Sound like you have with the "pure H20 comment you made." That one change is well worth the extra expense.

Vi

abudsmoker · #14 06-11-2007, 08:44 AM

Ro Water is the key. my water is 11 parts per million TDS i make this at the cost of .13 a gallon 5 gallons takes 18 gallons of conditioned/soften water.

the benifit is total control of nutes delieved to the plant.
if you water is real hard or has high TDS you food will " Fall out" so to speak

medicineman · #15 06-11-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Yep, its not all its cracked up to be. The Co-ops HAVE to offer the finest they can find. After all ... its intended for medical users. So, in order to offer the best, they have to pay for the best. Usually, that means the clubs pay from 3000 to 4000 a pound. The same thing applys to the edibiles and hash they offer as well. I bought one gram of hash from one of the San Diego clubs once ... it was some of the best hash I've ever had. It cost $35 a gram and was well worth it.

Med ... Have you converted over to RO water? Sound like you have with the "pure H20 comment you made." That one change is well worth the extra expense.

Vi

Yup, my tap water was 700 PPM. I have a water store a few blocks from me that sells water for 16 cents a gallon. I take 3-5 gallon buckets once a week and fill them. the guy charges me 2.40. The hardest part is lugging those buckets home. I believe those buckets to hold more like 6-7 gallons, they are the large chlorine buckets from my pool and they are heavy for an old fart. I cant believe that this one giant plant drinks 15 gallons of water a week, The root ball is 5-6 feet long and 6 inches in Diameter, amazing. I am using two pumps and 4 stones, so there's lots of aireation going on and some of it may be evaporation, but 15 gallons+ a week is still amazing. I believe I let the plants go too far in veg, wont let that happen again. this one of two survivors (The other 4 were males) has taken over my little closet and is 6 ft tall and 5 feet accross, buds everywhere. These will be a bunch of smaller buds instead of a few big ones, but the end result will be the same, kick ass pot.These are seeds from the widow and her boyfriend, the midnight stranger. Be interesting to see what they taste like. I've thought about putting some orange or lemon extract into the water, but don't want to ruin a good thing.

ViRedd · #16 06-11-2007, 04:40 PM

Sounds good Med. I'd stay away from the extracts. If you flush for the last two weeks of flower, then cure it properly, you'll end up with some really nice tasting pot ... and it will be natural tasting pot as well.

You've got a big-assed plant going there. What kinda wattage are you using?

Vi

medicineman · #17 06-11-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRedd

Sounds good Med. I'd stay away from the extracts. If you flush for the last two weeks of flower, then cure it properly, you'll end up with some really nice tasting pot ... and it will be natural tasting pot as well.

You've got a big-assed plant going there. What kinda wattage are you using?

Vi

Just a little old 400HPS. I bought a fancy 400Hps Bulb with super high output and balanced red and blue for ultimate plant growth, but am using the plain 400 watt HPS for flowering. The buds are starting to tighten up, a couple more weeks and they gotta go as I'm leavin on a 10 day vacation, so they will be what they will be, probably take me all day one day to cut and manicure the buds, An enjoyable job if ever there were. also bought a 70cfm rotary fan and made a hole in the cieling of the closet and ran 4" ducting from the plant area to the attic, so the smell level is much better, although, I love the smell of skunk in the morning. You should see it, It grew past the light and is hitting the ceiling and growing back down. I had to string wires and make a hole in the middle to keep all the plant away from the light. Next time, I'm going into flower on the 4th node and trying to keep them lower. I actually had to raise the ceiling 12 inches and that is all I've got. I've found that I can put a seed into a rockwool cube and as long as I keep enough water in the bubbler, it will turn into a six inch plant in 10 days or less. I also am doing the poor mans co2 deal with a milk carton and sugar and yeast, seems to be working.

DankyDank · #18 06-11-2007, 09:15 PM

So it seems that most of the responses I got, with the exception of the very first, are dealing with the issue as if pot clubs are there to provide pot, period. These responses don't seem to be treating pot as medicine, or the co-ops as pharmacies. Fair enough. I'm all for the free market. But it would then seem to me that everyone would have to admit that the medicinal pot movement is just a smokescreen to get pot to anybody that wants it.

I wouldn't have any problem with the co-ops if they weren't masquerading as clinics. I don't have a problem in the world with people charging what the market will bare, and getting dirty rotten filthy stinking rich doing it. But don't come off like you are doing ill people a favor when you are nothing more than a legal dope dealer. Go ahead and make a million, but like the man said, don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining.

fdd2blk · #19 06-11-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DankyDank

So it seems that most of the responses I got, with the exception of the very first, are dealing with the issue as if pot clubs are there to provide pot, period. These responses don't seem to be treating pot as medicine, or the co-ops as pharmacies. Fair enough. I'm all for the free market. But it would then seem to me that everyone would have to admit that the medicinal pot movement is just a smokescreen to get pot to anybody that wants it.

I wouldn't have any problem with the co-ops if they weren't masquerading as clinics. I don't have a problem in the world with people charging what the market will bare, and getting dirty rotten filthy stinking rich doing it. But don't come off like you are doing ill people a favor when you are nothing more than a legal dope dealer. Go ahead and make a million, but like the man said, don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining.

the clubs ARE supplying medicine to patients in need. others slip in thru the cracks. i see more little old ladies and wheelchairs at my club than i do 25 year old men. i think there are clubs out there that give off a bad impression. but it is not the club issuing prescriptions it is the DR.s. without the proper paper work you can't get in the club in the first place. as far as getting filthy rich: why do i wait 2 weeks to get my money on a 1/4lb front? if they were rich couldn't they pay me at the time of donation?

DankyDank · #20 06-11-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fdd2blk

as far as getting filthy rich: why do i wait 2 weeks to get my money on a 1/4lb front? if they were rich couldn't they pay me at the time of donation?

I'm not sure what u were trying to say here... are u selling to the clubs?

There is no doubt that the clubs are making huge profits. And again, I guess if the point is simply for pot to be available, that it doesn't matter. I just have a problem with all of this money being made in the guise of "helping the sick." So I do what I can. I provide to the ill at less than half of street price, and I don't patronize the clubs AT ALL.

At any rate, thanks to all of those that responded to the thread. Even though I am extremely surprised at the lack of outrage in regards to this issue, it has been cool to see how other people feel about it.