Obama Stimulus Plan Dangerous to Your Health
seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aLzfDxfbwhzs


One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective.

The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446).

According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

he goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs.

That means you will die more quickly due to lack of the latest medical advances.

Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

It is cheaper to the let the patient die, than to treat them.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.



Putting a price on life itself..

Excellent article, MILF ...

This is what socialism always does ... it rations services.

Does anyone remember when the Pope referred to "The Culture of Death" in the West? He wasn't just referring to the abortion situation. The second part was euthanasia. I mean, an inconvenient life is an inconvenient live, no?

Psst ... don't tell grandma or grandpa.


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we can always fly to china and have any major surgery done ,you are correct.as much as the government fucks up .why not give them total control of around 1/3 of the us economy.sure..why not.they fuck up everything they touch lets let them control our very lifes.people in this country are slaves to the government now.in a couple of years ,that is if we dont have a total revolution . we will all be slaves to the government

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everything i print write or show on here is a complete and utter lie..i cant help myself i am a terminal liar..all of this shit is just fiction and made up for entertainment purposes ONLY..

Aren't we all, already?

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Libertas inaestimabilis res est - Liberty is a thing beyond all price. | Sic Semper Tyrannis

some of us are .
there are a few free men left
im sure there are some on this forum .
to have freedom on this country/world you have to have economic freedom.
debt is what enslaves people.the funny thing is they do this stuff to themselfs.they go buy shit they cant afford and live off of credit working like crazy to try and pay for shit they thought they needed.a old man told me one time when i was a younger man.he asked me this question.
do you know what the most expensive thing you will ever purchase will be in your life?.my answer being young and ignorant was .a house.he told me NO. interest interest buys nothing it saves nothing it is work and production lost for all of time.
the best book i can recommend to anyone is a book written by one of my libertarian heros.harry brown. the title of the book is how i found freedom in a unfree world.

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everything i print write or show on here is a complete and utter lie..i cant help myself i am a terminal liar..all of this shit is just fiction and made up for entertainment purposes ONLY..

I always love how the stuff that really doesn't matter is the "big hits" of these forums.. yet the stuff that is REALLY frightening is overlooked.. so sad..

This is the sickest thing I've seen our government try to do in a long time (and that sure is saying something).. this is straight from Brave New World.. who gives the government the right to put a price on life itself?! Why should some "cost effectiveness formula" be applied to your LIFE. Where is the love and respect for our seniors? THIS IS EUGENICS.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE..

Great thread Milf! I'm glad I read this, although to be subjective, politicians look at the health care system as a business, and when businesses arent doing well, they are treated shrewdly, without looking at the human cost of things, yet no one ever said that capitalism was ever humane. At my union meetings, our leaders and delegates are going throught the same thing, 40% of what a contractor pays goes towards our health care benefits, and is almost literally making us price ourselves out of the market, making us decide whether to take a pay cut, or lose some health care benefits. Our delegates our preaching to us to take preventative treatments ( like the Canadian govt. says to their people) as in stop smoking, drinking, eat better and live healthier, to avoid costly treatments when we get older, from living like we are invincable when we are younger. I dont think this is Eugenics, that means we would have to kill or sterilize weak and unhealthy people so they dont sire more weak and unhealthy people that drain the system, which is exactly what we do to our Canine friends, in order to produce a stronger healthier breed that go on to sire more strong and healthy offspring. I just love how these rich Senators and politicians tell these poor seniors to just accept their fate, while these hypocrits would likely spend more than the average american would make in his/her lifetime on himself to keep his old ass alive. How much do you think Cheney spends to stay alive? Hope I dont sound to crass, again great thread!

Exactly, that's what eugenics is.. and this is it. Seniors are asked to "deal with their fate" because it's not "cost efficient" for them to be alive. The bill doesn't just specifically pick out seniors, it picks out whatever procedures are considered "not cost effective" by a bureaucratic council. This will most certainly include seniors and people who are deemed terminal. That would be killing people who are "weak".. the "undesirables"..

Though you can certainly have eugenics without sterilization laws, I'm supposing you haven't seen the articles on proposed legistlation is some states to give people cash incentives to get sterilized..

I don't see this as a side effect of capitalism though (as if we even have such a thing in this country) but as a side effect of socialism...

Price controls also cause rationing of services and goods.. another lesson of history to keep in mind during these ecnomic times ahead..

The useless eaters.. that is how we the slaves are looked upon..

Technology is a wonderful thing but not all people deserve all treatments especially if the government and my tax dollars are funding them. No one is saying you cannot have any procedure you can afford, just that the government is not going to pay for all of them at the expense of those who, in most cases, take care of themselves (e.g., eat right, exercise, don't smoke, etc.) to begin with. Why should we (the taxpayers) fund the morbidly obese patient who won't stop eating or chronic smokers who voluntarily destroy thier lives. Personal responsibilty in this Nation would do wonders at weening us all from the government health care sytstem. There are a small percentage of citizens who, due to no fault of ther own, need government health assistance but they are overshadowed by those who feel they are "entitled" to every procedure or treatment, regardless of cost to the taxpayers as a whole or adverse personal behaviour.