My contention is we need to get the fuck out, now! what say you all?
“What happens on the ground is for every one of those impacts you get five or ten times as many recruits for the Taliban as you've eliminated. The people that we’re trying to convince to become adherents to our cause have become rigidly hostile to our cause in part because of bombing and in part because of other killing of civilians from ground forces. We’re dealing with a society that’s based on honor... They have to resist being invaded, occupied, bombed and killed. It’s a matter of honor, and they’re willing to die in unbelievable numbers to do that.”

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/bl...y_the_bes.html

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No opinions here???? I thought this was a political forum, where we discuss politics. There must be some warmongers that will argue (Discuss) with me. I say, get the heck out, now.

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Make legit markets for the MJ/hashish and poppy trade and suck away the money stream from the taliban and other indigenous fighting groups. Take away their (average citizen) source of income and of course they will want to kill you, it is how they have feed their families for thousands of years, who the fuck are we to say other wise, I'd kill you too if you were taking away my ability to feed and clothe my family.

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Okay, med. I'll bite.

We can't leave Afghanistan. There are bad people who need a place to work against us and that cannot be allowed. Somalia is in the same class.

The people of Afghanistan are never going to become adherents to our cause, and while we may make some efforts that way as a matter of form, we don't believe it either. The government of Afghanistan consists of a very thin segment of Afghan society; they neither represent the ethnic makeup of the country nor do they share common goals with the people, but they will work with us to impose control on the region. And we need that because . . . .

If we leave Afghanistan, it will be used (even more than it is now) as a base for the toppling of Pakistan (and the acquisition of their nukes). Would you rather we fight in Afghanistan or Pakistan? RPG's and AK-47s or one of the largest military forces in Asia with heavy artillery, and nukes? And how about India? Do you care if the rest of the world takes on a lovely glow?

And do you want Afghanistan sitting on the world's largest crop of opium and turning it into money, men and materiel to destroy you and yours? Because they want to, whether we bombed their villages or not.

Your turn.

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Originally Posted by 323cheezy it is are animalistic mammalian ways to take advantage of the week...n nature there are no morals....survival of the fittest...the futile will die ....

Here is where I disagree. If Pakistan fell, the army would either take over or dissolve. I doubt that afganistan would be able to assert any control. That having been said, yes there is a huge concern as to what happens to the nukes. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if we had a team in place to retrieve those nukes, the moment that the pakistan gov't falls.

This is one of the very few situations that i'm glad we have troops around the world.

Also in the event that pakistan did fall, I highly doubt that india would just stand by. I'm sure we would see some action by them.

I'm with you med ... we need to leave ... we went over there because of 911 and we ... most of us ... know it was an inside job ... I think the elite want to keep the drugs flowing for their projects ... one thing is for sure ...we are not there to help ...

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I think at this point I agree. We may have had a chance when we first went in but that has long since been squandered. Now there's really nothing more we can do, except waste money, lives and piss off more people there.

I did not say Afghanistan would take over Pakistan, but that non-governmental forces inside Afghanistan would topple Pakistan.

Great we have a nuke-retrieval team. I feel better. And no, India wouldn't just stand by. So you think world war is good?

9/11 was only an inside job inside your head. Get some medication.

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Originally Posted by 323cheezy it is are animalistic mammalian ways to take advantage of the week...n nature there are no morals....survival of the fittest...the futile will die ....

absolutely not but I don't see how keeping troops there is going to solve/prevent that situation. I mean if anything, we're driving more people to the taliban's side.

What is our cause? Imperialism? Maybe a McDonalds in Kabul?

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