Now here's a subject that everyone has an opinion on. I say Cut and Run! I support every one of our troops and want them to come home safely. The only reason we're still there is that no politician wants to admit they made a mistake and we should leave. George Bushes humongus ego won't allow him to admit a mistake and the spineless politicians (none of which ever carried a weapon to war)( I have and luckily never had to use it, they had the draft when I was a youngster) won't oppose him. This is pure insanity. The place is in Civil war and is creating way more terrorists than we are killing. If you think we are doing Gods work in Iraq, your flipped! I say, pack up today, not tomorrow, and hit the road to kuwait. Let the Sunnis and Shiites kill themselves off and rid the world of stupid people. If people are stupid enough to kill each other over Religion, I say let them. As far as the oil, who are they going to sell it to, the oil companys, so what's the difference. We could blockade the port ( the only one they have) and monitor the oil supply to our oil company's advantage. (isn't that what the whole thing's about anyway?) To continue to spend treasure and blood in Iraq (because of Bush's Ego) is the purest form of insanity a country can exude. Just one voters opinion, what's yours? I realise that this thread in no way encompasses the totality of corporate greed and power in Iraq, (Haliburton etc.), it's just a plea for sanity!

Hmmm ... would the free world be better off with a democratized Middle East, or Middle Eastern countries all run by Mafia types with nuclear weapons? Which would make for a safer world?

Do your really feel OK about millions being slaughtered in the Middle East? Were you one of those in favor of our pulling out of Viet Nam? What was the aftermath of that little excursion, fomented by the Democrats, by the way?

Vi

Are you joking, those dirt eaters in Iraq have no clue what democracy is and don,t care either. Why can't we (U.S.A) leave other countries alone and let them sort out their own problems. You better believe that I was against the war in Viet Nam, My brother was a prisoner of war there, I was a vietnam era soldier, I luckily, saw no combat, but could have, Tell me about your great contribution to the safety of this country! And about Millions killed in Viet Nam, We killed a thousand times the amount killed by the vietnamese. Yes they killed the collaboraters, maybe a couple thousand, how many did we needlessly kill to see the same result as if we were never there, plus 56 thousand American lives. I don't know where you get your information, maybe from Fox news. That is the best right wing tabloid going, certainly not a news organization. As far as the nuclear (not nucular) weapons, I'm sure our intelligence apparatus will fully inform our leaders of their location and vulnerability. Untill we are sure that a foriegn power has the capability to deliver a nuclear weapon to our shores, we should leave the fuck alone and use sanctions or (heaven forbid) diplomacy to usurp those intentions. I feel the Bushies mounting the Iran war as we speak. A conventional war with Iran would decimate our military and for sure necessitate a draft, this not being feasible as to timing would lead to nuclear destruction of Iran and possibly the rest of the world, armageddon as the Bushies like to call it. Bush sees this as his calling, to be the president at Armageddon. I hope you are not ignorant enough to not see this. This asshole (BUSH) thinks he is doing Gods work. He is one scary asshole. Maybe he believes the Mayan calender that ends in 2012 and wants to get a Jump on it!

No troops needed in the firstplace, we have smart bombs and nukes.

An altruistic political stance, that allows diplomatic antagonizing rule over rational military strategy is obsurd when it involves an enemy country building a nuke. Having a nuke is not a global right, it's a respected and envied curse.

Other than that I totally agree with you.

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Lets see......... I see the world in a VERY large battle (world war-Russia, China, Arabs, Germany, US, Canada..all the gang) by the end of the year.

I will bet a joint on it............lol. and I am high right now also.........:P

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Its hard to say. Its a lot easier to say we should not have gone but now that we are there what do you do now? I think thats the only reason Bush got re-elected. Basically to finish what he started and putting someone new in would only make things worse. I dont know if we should stay or go. I would think they would have their government (that we made) setup already. But I would of thought they would have given Sadam a fair trial by now also. Are they just going to keep him a prisoner forever?

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It pretty much boils down to this: are you a people person or a property person. People persons adore peace and tranquility while property persons adore property, and always want someone elses. This leads to war and agression. I'm not quite a turn the other cheek person, but I believe the person is more valuable than the property unless he's trying to take mine, then I'll just shoot the bastard!

[quote=medicinaluseonly;8437]And about Millions killed in Viet Nam, We killed a thousand times the amount killed by the vietnamese. Yes they killed the collaboraters, maybe a couple thousand ... quote]

Here's a little history depicting the unintended consequenses fomented by the anti-war Left after we pulled out of Vietnam. Hope you're open minded enough to read it.

FrontPage magazine.com :: Left-Wing Monster: Pol Pot by John Perazzo

Vi

You didn't say Cambodia! That was an entirely different inspired set of criminal circumstances. Get your facts straight, Pol Pot had nothing to do with the Viet Nam war. I agree that he was a monster, and we (U.S.A.) did absolutely nothing to stop him. Yes He killed millions, and maybe if we hadn't waged war on Viet Nam He wouldn't have, did you ever think of that? War doesn't solve hatred, it only broadens it. If someone kills your brother. aren't you going to be thinking about revenge. Just like Viet Nam, we have stirred up a hornets nest in Iraq, sunni kills shiite then shiite kill sunnis brother and on ad-finitum. The only sane answer is to leave as quickly as we can and let them sort it out. Making a Democracy in the middle east? Talk about smokin some wierd shit! Even on my worst acid trip I couldn't have come up with that!

So, if we just left the folks who want to kill us alone, the terrorism here in the U.S. would stop? Your ideas please.

Vi