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1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and“terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.
7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.
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1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

That's gone down quite a bit, so, kind of irrelevant now.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

So some terorists were roughed up at Gitmo and (Al Jazheera? Jazgheera?) hardly human rights abuses. Though on the other hand the case of the people getting arrested at both the DNC and the RNC does make for interesting questions...

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and“terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

Nothing new for the right to blame the left, and the left to blame the right and just about everyone that isn't overly political to blame all of them. Has the left started blaming itself yet?

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

Seems that the reason why we have such a large military is because we are stuck policing the world, some how having gotten shanghaied into that task while our "allies" effectively stab us in the back by using the money they save in having to fund their own military to give tax cuts to their own companies. We're also stuck policing the world because of feel good policies, instead of an intelligent desire to let everyone go their own separate ways (even if it means that they are happily nuking each other.)

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

Slight problem. The NAZIs opposed abortion by Aryans not by Jews, etc, so it wasn't sexism, it was more a matter of racism. Though I don't know what kind of anti-abortion laws the Soviet Union had, probably draconians ones, a lot of their citizens were killed fighting Germany, and they routinely had advertising that made it clear that it was the duty of the women to let the remaining men stick it in them...

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public
unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

Really, the media is controlled. Maybe the main stream media, but that control hardly extends to indepent media, which is consistently expanding its audience.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

Might have a point there... of course it does seem like there is a considerable amount of questioning going on, and mocking, and media coverage of the flaws of the national security system, at least the TSA portion... oh, and the CIA or FBI which was behind the phone tapping... did the reporters behind the coverage of those get "vanished?"

Seems that some of the arguments here collapse under a reasonable examination.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

Really, has a politician been called the Messiah... oh wait, there is one, and that's Obama. ... Strange, one would think that if you were posting something you thought damning to the right you'd be careful to make sure it didn't contain anything that couldn't be held against you. Not to mention the fact that all this state control is pretty much exactly what you're pushing for. Not to mention the fact that Socialists are only Godless in the traditional sense of worshipping a higher power, but they do worship corpses as Gods (Marx, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pal Pot, Engles, etc.)

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

Really, the only corporations getting bail outs are connected to the Liberals... are you saying that the Left is stabbing its constituents in the back and screwing them over. I mean, there's Finance, which gave MILLIONS to Obama, and the UAW/Auto which also gave MILLIONS to Obama. Seems like I should be more worred about the left than the right, which opposed the bail outs (well at least in the House of Representatives.)

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

Organized Labor's not being suppressed, of course, Organized Labor can hardly be called poor. Seems that you were just bitching about how they had created the middle class... If their workers are part of the middle class then they can't really be considered "poor".

Too many holes in this post Med

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

Really, now, but from what I've seen you're one of the people that routinely attack people that have gathered knowledge and made money out of it like myself and Dave for not being "poor" manufacturing workers too stupid to know better than to not try shaving with a Chain Saw...

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

:: shrugs :: This is new? This has been going on sense the 30's under the left's great Idol, FDR... Perhaps a better title for this post would have been the 14 traits of SOCIALISM.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

Corruption is corruption, and I really don't see a lack of understanding by the general public that the general public got the shaft in the bail out of Wall St. and Detroit.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Still believing that Bush didn't win just because he didn't get the popular vote, having won the electoral vote instead, and thus the election in the way the Constitution designed for it to be won.

Of course, speaking of Fraud, what about that race in Minnesota (isn't it?) the one with Franken... now there's a shady election.


Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

Yeah, Verbal Gymnastics indeed, and something that would have been more properly entitled the fourteen traits of SOCIALISM... of course that would mean that you would have to try differentiating between the Socialism of NAZI Germany and the Socialism of Communist Russia which really can't be done, because both were giant police states with criminal codes that made no sense. Both opposed abortion, Germany for Racist Raesons linked to Eugenics, and Russia, because Stalin had a stupid habit of using Soldiers to clear Mine Fields not valuing human life sufficiently to do otherwise.

Of course, the people he was killing were viewed by the Socialists as just being proles, and Stalin's duty was to make sure that all the proles lived happily ever after in the great corrupt socialist society of Russia.

There was also a vast amount of corruption in NAZI Germany, Fascist Italy and Maoist China. All of which makes the Corruption in the United States pale in comparison, or at least it did until the Socialists like FDR turned the United States into a Socialist/Fascist (whatever you want to call it, as it really doesn't make any difference, both of them espoused socialist ideas and state control of industry with power focused in the hands of the few instead of a free enterprise system where the vast majority of the companies were small and privately owned.) Democracy.

Funny, you left that part out. The focus on doing it all for the Good of the People... of course, if you hadn't left that out, some might realize that what you were describing is what Socialists/Liberals/Communists/Progressives/Whatever the Hell you want to call yourselves is pushing.

More government interference in everyone's life by the government, for the good of everyone...

Yeah, give me a break.

The best thing for this country would to admit that Socialism is a flawed ideology that will never work, because it destroys the work ethic, undermines morale, and belief in one's self, and leads to a lazy hedonistic society that is incapable of producing sufficient food, and consumer goods to see to all their wants, and do away with anything that resembles it, returning to a true Laisse-Faire Capitalist System.

Of course, that's completely counter to what socialists such as yourself are pushing for. Must be difficult when you are caught between espousing hatred of your ideology and worshipping it as the end all be all...

Though from what I understand Orwell believed that such a practice would be routinely required in Socialists and called it Black-White or something like that, defining it as the ability to believe that Black was both Black and White, and that White was both White and Black at need when ordered to by the leaders of the Socialist Elite.

Anyway... I fail to see what all this has to do with a true laisse-faire capitalist system where the role of the government would be so greatly reduced in the lives of everyone that there would be no bail outs, no theft from one generation to give to another, and no talk of all this stupid horse shit such as rights to medical care, shelter and to screw over those that actually pay taxes.
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Yeah, Verbal Gymnastics indeed, and something that would have been more properly entitled the fourteen traits of SOCIALISM... of course that would mean that you would have to try differentiating between the Socialism of NAZI Germany and the Socialism of Communist Russia which really can't be done, because both were giant police states with criminal codes that made no sense. Both opposed abortion, Germany for Racist Raesons linked to Eugenics, and Russia, because Stalin had a stupid habit of using Soldiers to clear Mine Fields not valuing human life sufficiently to do otherwise.

Of course, the people he was killing were viewed by the Socialists as just being proles, and Stalin's duty was to make sure that all the proles lived happily ever after in the great corrupt socialist society of Russia.

There was also a vast amount of corruption in NAZI Germany, Fascist Italy and Maoist China. All of which makes the Corruption in the United States pale in comparison, or at least it did until the Socialists like FDR turned the United States into a Socialist/Fascist (whatever you want to call it, as it really doesn't make any difference, both of them espoused socialist ideas and state control of industry with power focused in the hands of the few instead of a free enterprise system where the vast majority of the companies were small and privately owned.) Democracy.

Funny, you left that part out. The focus on doing it all for the Good of the People... of course, if you hadn't left that out, some might realize that what you were describing is what Socialists/Liberals/Communists/Progressives/Whatever the Hell you want to call yourselves is pushing.

More government interference in everyone's life by the government, for the good of everyone...

Yeah, give me a break.

The best thing for this country would to admit that Socialism is a flawed ideology that will never work, because it destroys the work ethic, undermines morale, and belief in one's self, and leads to a lazy hedonistic society that is incapable of producing sufficient food, and consumer goods to see to all their wants, and do away with anything that resembles it, returning to a true Laisse-Faire Capitalist System.

Of course, that's completely counter to what socialists such as yourself are pushing for. Must be difficult when you are caught between espousing hatred of your ideology and worshipping it as the end all be all...

Though from what I understand Orwell believed that such a practice would be routinely required in Socialists and called it Black-White or something like that, defining it as the ability to believe that Black was both Black and White, and that White was both White and Black at need when ordered to by the leaders of the Socialist Elite.

Anyway... I fail to see what all this has to do with a true laisse-faire capitalist system where the role of the government would be so greatly reduced in the lives of everyone that there would be no bail outs, no theft from one generation to give to another, and no talk of all this stupid horse shit such as rights to medical care, shelter and to screw over those that actually pay taxes.
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Yeah, Verbal Gymnastics indeed, and something that would have been more properly entitled the fourteen traits of SOCIALISM... of course that would mean that you would have to try differentiating between the Socialism of NAZI Germany and the Socialism of Communist Russia which really can't be done, because both were giant police states with criminal codes that made no sense. Both opposed abortion, Germany for Racist Raesons linked to Eugenics, and Russia, because Stalin had a stupid habit of using Soldiers to clear Mine Fields not valuing human life sufficiently to do otherwise.

Of course, the people he was killing were viewed by the Socialists as just being proles, and Stalin's duty was to make sure that all the proles lived happily ever after in the great corrupt socialist society of Russia.

There was also a vast amount of corruption in NAZI Germany, Fascist Italy and Maoist China. All of which makes the Corruption in the United States pale in comparison, or at least it did until the Socialists like FDR turned the United States into a Socialist/Fascist (whatever you want to call it, as it really doesn't make any difference, both of them espoused socialist ideas and state control of industry with power focused in the hands of the few instead of a free enterprise system where the vast majority of the companies were small and privately owned.) Democracy.

Funny, you left that part out. The focus on doing it all for the Good of the People... of course, if you hadn't left that out, some might realize that what you were describing is what Socialists/Liberals/Communists/Progressives/Whatever the Hell you want to call yourselves is pushing.

More government interference in everyone's life by the government, for the good of everyone...

Yeah, give me a break.

The best thing for this country would to admit that Socialism is a flawed ideology that will never work, because it destroys the work ethic, undermines morale, and belief in one's self, and leads to a lazy hedonistic society that is incapable of producing sufficient food, and consumer goods to see to all their wants, and do away with anything that resembles it, returning to a true Laisse-Faire Capitalist System.

Of course, that's completely counter to what socialists such as yourself are pushing for. Must be difficult when you are caught between espousing hatred of your ideology and worshipping it as the end all be all...

Though from what I understand Orwell believed that such a practice would be routinely required in Socialists and called it Black-White or something like that, defining it as the ability to believe that Black was both Black and White, and that White was both White and Black at need when ordered to by the leaders of the Socialist Elite.

Anyway... I fail to see what all this has to do with a true laisse-faire capitalist system where the role of the government would be so greatly reduced in the lives of everyone that there would be no bail outs, no theft from one generation to give to another, and no talk of all this stupid horse shit such as rights to medical care, shelter and to screw over those that actually pay taxes.
Just what I'd expect out of a practicing nazi. Spin spin spin.
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