1. do you support affirmative action?
2. do you support unions?

if you answered yes to both then you are confused at best and idiots at worst.

unions support moving up in the company through seniority.
affirmative action supports moving up in the company through racial quotas.
do you not see how illogical it is to support both?
they have different goals.

any way, there is no reason to flame me, how about for once just answering the question.

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I can easily say the same thing about you and your believes ... so now what?

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i am not saying you cant but if you can please spell them out for me so i can better myself

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I don't know you personally but, we all know that some liberals and conservatives blindly hold to there believes without acknowledging facts.
Perfect example of ardent Bush supporters that claim to be conservative and constitutionalists, but at the same time see it fit to infringe on peoples rights and constitutional law just to further their agenda. At the same time spending all kinds off money on things that we cant afford i.e. two wars, a Drug war, bank bailouts, and record numbers of other miscellaneous gov't spending. All blanketed with the guise of the govt will help you and protect you. Can you say SOCIALISM. Just my 2 cents

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good luck getting a liberal to give you a 'straight' answer man. the definition of liberal is to loosly interpret everything. (liberal interpretation of the law) (conservatives take it for what the words actually say)

most people are run by emotions, and emotions are blinding filters from the truth.
i'm not saying emotions are bad, they just distort reality. and you have to be smart enough to know that when you think about things.. like, "am i mad about this" yes? then i need to understand that i am mad about it when i make decisions about it. people don't do that. emotions run their lives and they just follow em like a moth follows light.

unions were only good back in the day, when they were NEEDED. they aren't NEEDED now since we have laws that took their place.

Affirmative action was only good when it was NEEDED, now it's not NEEDED. people don't even care about race, only quality and cost of the worker.

affirmative action promotes racism now a days.
unions promote laziness.
welfare promotes striving to be the bottom of the barrel

this is the american way now. what can i get for nothing, everryone owes me everything, and life isn't fair cause i'm (pick a race).

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I'm a liberal and as such, I think I have a better view on society than all the uptight assholes pinched tight, ulcerated stomach conservatives, that want to empower the rich and lay waste to the poor. Unions have every bit as much a place in society now as they ever had, in fact with this new corporate "fuck the employees" stance, maybe even more. I will agree that some unions have crooks running their business, but does anyone believe that upper management of corporations aren't just high paid theives? Affirmative action has been the cornerstone of creating a black middle class, just as unions were the same for the workers. Maybe white collar workers don't need unions, (Ask some of the 2 million that have been laid off recently) But as one can see, without union support, GM would just lay off (Fire) 50% of their workforce, stop all benefits, terminate pensions, (Fuck all those that put in 30 years at GM), and keep paying their executives millions in salaries and bonuses. Without unions, there would be no medical, no overtime, no paid vacations, in fact, there would probably be no vacations at all. I have suggested this before: adapt socialized medicine and remove this burden from corporations and the workers. This is so blatant as a remedy to the medical crises in this country, it's pathetic we can't get-er-done. The HMO and Insurance lobby has tied this up for years. Time to give them the boot.

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right on medicine man. you hit the nail on the head its time to give some power back to our working class. Without the middle and wording class our nation has no real worth. Far to long corporate lobby's and executives have been consumed with greed at the expense of workers. It never ceases to amaze me that people can so passionately support the same groups of greedy pricks that feast off there livelihoods. its time for people to wake up and realize this nation is being bought and sold right in front of you.

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According to your definition Bush must be very liberal the way he 'interpreted' laws to fit into his abuse of power. Everything from torture to spying on our own.

FYI, the true definition of liberal is:
'open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.'

Thanks for proving conservatives like to 'loosely interpret' meanings to fit their own agenda, and thanks for supporting a party that has done nothing but fuck up the country more than any terrorist could.

i am not a liberal but ill give it a shot.

1. I beleive in hireing and fireing based on performance. Best man gets the job. In America, with Capitolism, free enterprise, we run on the basis of competition.


2. Nowadays, fuck no. Well, like med said, we do need unions because corporations, given the chance, with fuck us up the ass hard with a big fat black dick repeatedly all to save or make a buck. But nowadays there are alot of unions that are so fucked up its not even funny. I want to support the common American working man, but Jesus Christ your not worth $60 an hour to push a broom get a real job.

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there are very few if any who make 60$ an hour, another bogus stat that been thrown around this past few weeks, and picked up by every charlatan on T.V and radio

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