This one's for you Vi ... I'm with you on the tax thing ... this is dated and Schiff is back in jail ... but ... check out the video(s) folks ... why wouldn't the IRS answer the question? They continue to show that the only thing they have to force us to pay taxes is the guns ...
Irwin Schiff vs. IRS on Fox TV News


Now did you notice in the video when they asked the HR Block woman ... she got all defensive and started that ... "you better pay your taxes" shit ... but could not produce the law ... the same with the IRS ... and why did they raid Schiff's office ... while he was out? ... Answer those questions people who say there is a law ... why won't they produce it ... why are threatening people instead?
No argument they have the guns ... but do they have the law? Then why won't they show it? I think Mr. Schiff's web site is worth a look ...

IRS Commissioner Evades THE Question

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the tax code itself is illegal......
16th Amendment of the constitution (the income tax amendment)
congress is the ones who can, will and does enforce this illegal law.
the 16th Amendment was not ratified by the required 3/4 of the states, therefore it's illegal.
Case after case the government has accused people of lying and prohibit them from presenting this as a defense in court. Stating that it's irrelevant and can't be used as a defense....

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The law is unwritten, like those that have the guns rule, so give me your money. There are laws that skirt the issue and appear to justify it but they have never written a specific law other than the 16th amendment, which by the way was ratified by 3/4 majority of the states making it official.

Amendment XVI (1913)

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.

According to the United States Government Printing Office, the following states ratified the amendment:[20]

1. Alabama (August 10, 1909)
2. Kentucky (February 8, 1910)
3. South Carolina (February 19, 1910)
4. Illinois (March 1, 1910)
5. Mississippi (March 7, 1910)
6. Oklahoma (March 10, 1910)
7. Maryland (April 8, 1910)
8. Georgia (August 3, 1910)
9. Texas (August 16, 1910)
10. Ohio (January 19, 1911)
11. Idaho (January 20, 1911)
12. Oregon (January 23, 1911)
13. Washington (January 26, 1911)
14. Montana (January 27, 1911)
15. Indiana (January 30, 1911)
16. California (January 31, 1911)
17. Nevada (January 31, 1911)
18. South Dakota (February 1, 1911)
19. Nebraska (February 9, 1911)
20. North Carolina (February 11, 1911)
21. Colorado (February 15, 1911)
22. North Dakota (February 17, 1911)
23. Michigan (February 23, 1911)
24. Iowa (February 24, 1911)
25. Kansas (March 2, 1911)
26. Missouri (March 16, 1911)
27. Maine (March 31, 1911)
28. Tennessee (April 7, 1911)
29. Arkansas (April 22, 1911), after having previously rejected the amendment
30. Wisconsin (May 16, 1911)
31. New York (July 12, 1911)
32. Arizona (April 3, 1912)
33. Minnesota (June 11, 1912)
34. Louisiana (June 28, 1912)
35. West Virginia (January 31, 1913)
36. New Mexico (February 3, 1913)

Ratification (by the requisite thirty-six states) was completed on February 3, 1913 with the ratification by New Mexico. The amendment was subsequently ratified by the following states, bringing the total number of ratifying states to forty-two of the forty-eight then existing:

37. Delaware (February 3, 1913) 38. Wyoming (February 3, 1913) 39. New Jersey (February 4, 1913) 40. Vermont (February 19, 1913) 41. Massachusetts (March 4, 1913) 42. New Hampshire (March 7, 1913), after rejecting the amendment on March 2, 1911 The following states rejected the amendment without ever subsequently ratifying it:

1. Connecticut
2. Florida (rejected the amendment after it had already been ratified by three-fourths of the states)
3. Rhode Island
4. Utah

The following states never took up the proposed amendment:

1. Pennsylvania So, maybe if you live in one of these two states. or the abpve 4, you may have a case, but since it is a federal law, I doubt it.
2. Virginia

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Either way, the constitution also says they are to be apportioned.

Either way, the constitution also says they are to be apportioned.

Please show me. [ without apportionment among the several states, ]
Apportionment:
The legal term apportionment (French apportionement; Med. Latin apportionamentum; derived from Latin portio, share) means distribution or allotment in proper shares.

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And there's the rub. Schiff and other patriots have continually requested the IRS to define the term "income." They have not and they won't .. for to do so would cause their entire house of cards to come crashing down.

As originally intended, the term "income" referred to a corporate profit. How can I, as a citizen, derive an income from my wages or commissions? Well, I'd have to invest a portion of my wages or commissions and earn a profit on those investments ... thereby deriving an income from my wages or commissions.

The way the law is interpreted today, the government is taxing a portion of our labor as well as our investment "income." When an outside entity taxes a portion of the citizen's labor, that outside entity, in this case the federal government, is taking ownership of the portion of labor that is being taxed.

There is a name for economic systems that "own" the citizen's labor ... slavery. In the case of the federal income tax, enforced by quasi-government thugs at the IRS, we have allowed ourselves to lose our financial liberty. As a result, we are rapidly losing our political liberty as well.

Vi

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Here you go VI:
Income, refers to consumption opportunity gained by an entity within a specified time frame, which is generally expressed in monetary terms.[1] However, for households and individuals, "income is the sum of all the wages, salaries, profits, interests payments, rents and other forms of earnings received... in a given period of time."[2] For firms, income generally refers to net-profit: what remains of revenue after expenses have been subtracted.[3] In the field of public economics, it may refer to the accumulation of both monetary and non-monetary consumption ability, the former being used as a proxy for total income.[1]
The International Accounting Standards Board uses this definition:

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Yes ... like I said ... economic slavery.

Now then, is what you posted above actually law, or is it IRS administrative code that is treated and acted upon as if it were the law? If it was enacted as law, you would be able to find it in the Federal Register. To date, I don't believe that anyone has. This is the reason Irwin Schiff started filing "zero" returns showing zero income.

Vi

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they can't jail everyone, cause it costs tax dollars to do it. think about that

ps, the DMV/BMV whatever imposes these same kind of "laws" that aren't really laws, but since you signed a contract when you got your license you agreed to their terms.

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i can understand what both u guys are saying, and actually he is right about there not being an actual law stating what it is, and how income could not be defined. We dont have to pay taxes, because there is no law saying we do, but if we were to not pay taxes, the economy would crash, do u get what they are asking, they do not want the contry to fail and the markets fall because our taxes pay for our living, work buildings, houses, schools, roads, city labor, street lights, things we do just pay for, the government pays for it, because we as a society do not just fork over money for pot holes, its takin from our taxes and used as needed. but i can also understand the anger coming from having to pay taxes, but you also get taxes back. its not a law to pay taxes, its just the right thing to do, if we are build in a country............but then again, im high, and if china(one of the biggest societies) doesnt pay taxes, then i think im gonna have to start putting -0- in my tax forms, or just keep doing my taxes so i can get my money back.

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