Refusing to allow gay marriage is a byproduct of the same mode of thinking that allows for the continued prohibition of marijuana. Regardless of public opinion neither is a crime in constitutional terms.

You're right Bradly. So, in that context should the government dictate to a Rabbi, Pastor or Priest who they must marry? If Prop 8 is overturned, how do we deal with the discrimination lawsuits brought upon the churches who refuse to marry same sex couples?

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Catholic preists won't marry someone who isn't catholic, the government dosn't force Catholic preists to marry non-catholics

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The Catholic church doesn't marry couples who don't go through their marriage preparation classes, or couples who were divorced. Separation of church and state goes both ways, thankfully.

Yeppers, but that is between Catholics and their religion. Get the ACLU into the equation, along with "progressive" political correctness, and you have a completely different can of worms opening up.

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Vi, I thought you were all about individual freedom, and yet If I may dare, It appears you are against gay marriage and Abortion, both freedom of choice issues, which is sort of an oxymoron as gay people don't usually have abortions. Could you clear this up for me? Like, how is this going to affect you personally anyway? And bringing your religious beliefs to bear on someone else is what?

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I've learned sometimes it's just better to read the good parts, and then put the book down I don't think he was saying he is against all that stuff though... Maybe I put the book down early?

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The ACLU may disagree with you on many issues, but they're not insane. Like I said, separation of church and state goes both ways, and churches are allowed to put their own criteria on membership and sacraments. The church just performs the ceremony, the justice of the peace does the legal part.

No one can tell anyone anything unless they let them. To live free is to follow no one's rules.

The opinions of the few shouldn't interfere with the laws passed by the many.

Besides, there's an even darker twist to this. If either the California or the US Supreme court acts against Prop. 8 they are saying that we as citizens do not have the authority to decide for ourselves what laws we want, and that we can not make laws for ourselves.

They are also saying that the minority can overturn a law just because they oppose it. In that case, I suppose that laws banning, murder, rape, arson, and robbery be banned, because they prevent me from murdering, raping, burning and stealing.

The sheer absurdity of the concept of a minority being able to overturn a law by claiming to be disenfranchised is stupidity. There is a perfectly valid method for them to fight against the gay marriage ban, and that's the same way the supporters of the gay marriage ban got it enacted. By requesting a referendum to pass another Amendment to nullify that Amendment.

If they don't want to do it that way, then they should all be taken out and shot like DOGS.

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