From Andrew Sullivan:

10. A body blow to racial identity politics. An end to the era of Jesse Jackson in black America.

9. Less debt. Yes, Obama will raise taxes on those earning over a quarter of a million. And he will spend on healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan and the environment. But so will McCain. He plans more spending on health, the environment and won't touch defense of entitlements. And his refusal to touch taxes means an extra $4 trillion in debt over the massive increase presided over by Bush. And the CBO estimates that McCain's plans will add more to the debt over four years than Obama's. Fiscal conservatives have a clear choice.

8. A return to realism and prudence in foreign policy. Obama has consistently cited the foreign policy of George H. W. Bush as his inspiration. McCain's knee-jerk reaction to the Georgian conflict, his commitment to stay in Iraq indefinitely, and his brinksmanship over Iran's nuclear ambitions make him a far riskier choice for conservatives. The choice between Obama and McCain is like the choice between George H.W. Bush's first term and George W.'s.

7. An ability to understand the difference between listening to generals and delegating foreign policy to them.

6. Temperament. Obama has the coolest, calmest demeanor of any president since Eisenhower. Conservatism values that kind of constancy, especially compared with the hot-headed, irrational impulsiveness of McCain.

5. Faith. Obama's fusion of Christianity and reason, his non-fundamentalist faith, is a critical bridge between the new atheism and the new Christianism.

4. A truce in the culture war. Obama takes us past the debilitating boomer warfare that has raged since the 1960s. Nothing has distorted our politics so gravely; nothing has made a rational politics more elusive.

3. Two words: President Palin.

2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again. The survival of conservatism requires a temporary eclipse of today's Republicanism. Losing would be the best thing to happen to conservatism since 1964. Back then, conservatives lost in a landslide for the right reasons. Now, Republicans are losing in a landslide for the wrong reasons.

1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed. It has failed to destroy al Qaeda, except in a country, Iraq, where their presence was minimal before the US invasion. It has failed to bring any of the terrorists to justice, instead creating the excresence of Gitmo, torture, secret sites, and the collapse of America's reputation abroad. It has empowered Iran, allowed al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, made the next vast generation of Muslims loathe America, and imperiled our alliances. We need smarter leadership of the war: balancing force with diplomacy, hard power with better p.r., deploying strategy rather than mere tactics, and self-confidence rather than a bunker mentality.

Those conservatives who remain convinced, as I do, that Islamist terror remains the greatest threat to the West cannot risk a perpetuation of the failed Manichean worldview of the past eight years, and cannot risk the possibility of McCain making rash decisions in the middle of a potentially catastrophic global conflict. If you are serious about the war on terror and believe it is a war we have to win, the only serious candidate is Barack Obama.

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[quote=ElBarto;1529374]From Andrew Sullivan:

What the hell does this have to do with anything? I'm not not voting for Obama because of his skin color. I'm voting against him because of his ideology and policies.

Uhm, you see the problem with that is that Obama is proposing right around $1 Trillion in new spending, ending the War in Iraq isn't going to cover that, neither is cutting the Bush Tax Cuts. Especially with the economy the way it is, and the way it appears to be going.


Obama's foreign policy sounds like the typically Democrat position, fuck your buddy, only this time the buddy we are going to be screwing over will be Israel in the event of hostile actions by Iran.

You, know, the last time we screwed over one of our "friends" was under Carter, and that was the Shah of Iran. Hmm... you know, this isn't that surprising, everyone saw how fast Obama "Obama'd" Rezko, Johnson, and Wright.

Obama wouldn't know how to listen to a general if one gave him Patton's speach about understanding fornication and fighting, neither of which Obama understands as based on his loud mouth approach to talking about what his "strategies" would be.

You know, last time I checked, stating that you were going to violate the sovereign territory of another nation was called a declaration of war.

You obviously didn't see him during the 3rd debate, or maybe you did, and thought his inability to actually come back some other response than "that's not true" was intelligent and witty. Let's not forget that during the first debate he also stated that "that's not true", as he did during the second debate.

There's also the fact that outside of the "that's not true" line his second favorite line was "I agree with Senator McCain" or "I agree with John". Perhaps this can only serve to illustrate that Obama does not have the mental faculties to think on his own and thus his not a leader, but merely a follower who takes the ideas of others and presents them as his own.

I also thought of something else. If another 9/11 happens, I want a president that is going to get pissed off about it instead of sitting there like a fish out of water gulping for air while thinking, "What would the party leadership do? what would marx do? what would lenin do? shit, shit, shit, what would the party leadership do? must look calm. What would the party leadership do? shit, must look calm, must look calm. Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out, what would the party leadership do? must look calm, what would the looking calm do? must party leadership. What would the calm do? must do the party leadership."

Yes, I can just see how having this "calm" leader would play out in the event of another 9/11.

The problem with that is that Obama clearly does not have a faith, otherwise he would be willing to take a stance on harder issues such as abortion, and more willing to stand by his friends (those same one's that he "obama'd".)

There is no culture war, there's poor people of every color, white, black, brown, yellow. There's no culture war, except for the class war that Obama is striving to create with his "Tax the Rich" statements. Of course that's typical socialist bs as any student of history is able to tell you.

No, Obama would be worse than Palin. That, and I really don't think that McCain is in any danger of dying. In case you didn't notice his bellicosity doesn't seem to have caused him to have any kind of heart attack. So its clear that he's still able to deal with high blood pressure.

No, we're losing in a landslide because McCain is the exact opposite of everything the party stands for, and thus the voters are confused, because both candidates sound almost the same.

McCain made some drastic, elementary, mistakes.

1. Not proposing cutting taxes across the board (tax credits are BS)
2. Not harping on the need to privatize Social Security.
3. Not harping on the need to privatize Medicaid and Medicare, which are steadily consuming the federal budget.
4. Not pointing out that the federal government needs to switch to defined-contribution plans as opposed to defined-benefit pensions, because the defined-benefit plans are going to bankrupt this country.

There's no point in responding to this portion, it's using words that don't exist, but here it goes, with the Victory in Iraq looming there will be nothing left but to start sending troops to Afghanistan. The surge worked, and now it is time to shift focus to the other theater.

Though, I swear the very fact that this mentions our reputation abroad is ludicrous. It doesn't matter what other nations think of us. The only thing that matters is what we think of ourselves.

Which is why Republicans hate Democrats so much. How is it possible for any nation to respect us when there is a group of traitors amongst us that is always seeking to apologize for our actions, and for our very existence?

The only serious Candidates are neither Obama nor McCain, neither of them have a clue in hell what they are talking about.

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:: chuckles :: I guess that makes two that aren't sipping the kool aid.

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#12. We will actually have a Marxist in the White House to set the example for exactly what we've been warning about all these years.

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#13. Lenin will return from the dead to visit Obama in the White House.

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Well, if our choice is YOU or Andrew Sullivan, I'll listen to Mr. Sullivan, thank you.

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Socialism has nothing to do with Conservatism! So thats just stupid!

both candidates suck...
but brutal truth.... please dont say Palin would b a better president than obama
i always respected ur views til then
that is all

RON PAUL

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cclarify plz?

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Aight u rest in the e bushes, ima rob the e 7/11 so we can pay 4 a e bus ticket BUT I CAN GUARANTEE U WE ARE GETTING OUT ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:joi nt:

She would be, if only because she's not a socialist.

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